Transcript for “Softness – with Josh Nierer”

Episode, Softness – with Josh Nierer

00:00.00
Craig
Hello I’m Craig Constantine welcome to the movers mindset podcast where I talk with movement enthusiasts to find out who they are what they do and why they do it. My guest today is Josh Nierer welcome Josh how are you?

00:15.30
Josh
I’m pretty good. How are you.

00:34.92
Craig
As I say to everybody I’m excited but doubly excited because I was like how have I never talked to Josh with microphones before but we’ll circle back to that before we get started the last few episodes I’ve been mentioning the move nyc event. What’s that you’ve already got your tickets. Oh okay, you can skip ahead. Otherwise. On the weekend that is may 27 through the twenty ninth Josh will be at the move and Nyc event in Manhattan move nyc was imagined into existence by the movement creative for information and tickets run to their website. The http://movementcreative.com and click precisely on move n yc at the top. So there’s that

Craig
anyway back to Josh I was saying we’ve been like you know a couple of events together I I would kind of say we trained the same community but quite honestly you are one of the people who started the community where I fell into see what I did there fell into parkor. Um, so we’ve trained like 67 Sundays to Christmas and back and it’s been super fun to see like every coach has their own fingerprint. Um, but it’s super fun to see you get a chance to teach because um I don’t want to say you light up the room because that’s kind of dorky. But. But you have this fun way of of like really being honestly energetic about what you’re teaching and your session has I don’t want to give away too much. People need to go buy their tickets but your session has the word soft in the title softness plays into the title and I’ve but I was trying to jog my memory and i. Believe I’ve seen you do sessions on that I’m not sure that I’ve been in them which maybe I should but my none thought is when somebody has something that is less common like that I think was there something that you’ve seen in your past like did you see someone move with what you thought was softness or was there something like what is it about. Softness in movement that hooks your attention.

04:12.14
Josh
Yeah, so surprisingly I actually was never a very soft mover I actually pretty much was always a very power hungry very like how far can I jump how big of a movement can I do because that was always you know what caught the attention. But then what ended up happening is that I would look up and I think it was um oh what is his name min from Germany and I watched one of his videos and he was just such a beautiful mover doing everything so elegantly doing his flips doing his other tricks. But. You know his video audio was just him moving and it was just so quiet and I was just so fascinated by it and he actually had the opportunity to come to Pennsylvania and train with us and he ran a session and I just watched him move even more and that’s where I just like kept diving deeper into this idea of. Why is he able to do this movement so quietly because you know the way I think of it is softness is just how much force your body is taking and me being an engineer I love the idea of you know, calculating things and finding out how much force something takes how much can it take. What’s the biomechanics that we can follow and what we shouldn’t follow and of course of all those reasons I dove pretty deep into the idea of let’s actually do the numbers I broke out my calculator and wrote out like how heavy am I how far can I drop and how am I able to do these things without breaking my body every single day. And eventually I was able to say wow I was doing these movements actually slightly incorrect. Yeah I can do the movement but I’m not utilizing my body to its fullest extent yet and.

07:58.68
Craig
Are there like common I don’t want to say? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so give it to me in one words but are there common things that people do wrong like ah you know like my assumption would be oh if I want to. Be moving more quietly then I should just get stronger because then I’d be more comfortable when I’m moving like that’s actually literally literally a train of thought that Craig has Craig is not a quiet mover if you’ve never trained with me Josh has um, but are there other like really like that to me seems that’s probably wrong. Are there like things that we generally get wrong that we could at least look at.

08:41.92
Josh
Ah, yeah, so the main 3 that I’ve tried to simplify it down to and to be honest, you’re going to hear it from any parkor coach. The none one is repetition I mean you hear it all the time you got to practice your movement until it’s muscle memory. But the real reason why we want it to be muscle memory is because of something I actually dove pretty deep into which was ground reaction time. So it’s the way I like to describe it is the signal at which the our feet making contact with the ground sending up to our brain which happens at about none time it takes for you to blink so it’s point one five seconds and then for you to retranslate a message back to your feet to start or your muscles to start doing something the problem with that is is if your brain’s still trying to figure out what to do that signal is delayed. And because of all that you know there’s this like jolt almost that ends up happening and that jolt is what causes that initial slap that slap of the shoes or the feet hitting the ground in some way shape or form and because of all that you know you’re making a lot more noise than you ever need to because your body is not reacting the way.

10:55.86
Craig
Um.

11:13.56
Josh
You need to train it to and it doesn’t take big big drops to do that. Just hundreds of small drops or jumps or any type of other movement even just placing your hand down for a step vault or a safety vault depending on where you’re in the world. You are just ah, a few hundreds of just reaching your hand out. And knowing where it is to then be able to get it to be that muscle memory so that’s usually the first one is repetition. The None one. Well it is it is strength it it is you do need to be strong enough to be able to do certain things. So. This also then came down to the numbers. So this is where I sat down and I was like okay how much force does a human being take when they drop so for fun I actually wrote out a couple equations here for anyone who has paper and pen if not, it’s okay so let’s say if someone’s taking a two meter drop none give or take. And they weigh about £185 that amount of force is equivalent to twelve hundred foot pounds of force so and for those who go by different unit that’s sixteen hundred Joules that’s a lot of force I don’t know if anyone’s going to the gym and squatting. £1200 but somehow we’re able to do this and it goes somewhere and the first one is the classic. You just bend your legs like this is the situation if you just locked your knees out as all of us hopefully cringed a little bit that’s pretty much what happened.

14:06.20
Craig
Dissipate that it goes somewhere.

14:21.24
Craig
Do.

14:19.76
Josh
Everybody knows you drop two meters and you lock your knees lock your body something. Bad’s gonna happen. Something’s gonna break. So the second part of it is of course you gotta go through the range of motion but the secret is distance or what I like to tell my students is. We’re gonna start time traveling now because if we can take force. And divide it out through distance or time that ability for us to take that force divides it out so far that it just dissipates it down to something that’s very manageable for all of us so classic movement. We all do is roll. Okay now I don’t know about you guys. But you don’t roll. Learn a role in the none day you don’t it takes hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of roles for it to be perfect. So comes back to that of course repetition part of it but does anybody like really look at why or what direction we roll? Do. We just roll down our spine. No, we already know that doesn’t work. Ah yeah, at none few and then at the same time. Why does a hot dog role not work. The classics sideways. The main reason is the roll from hand down elbow shoulder across to the ah other hip and.

16:31.16
Craig
Maybe the None time I did that once.

16:45.98
Craig
Right.

16:52.31
Josh
Off to the opposite foot. The reason that works is because it literally is the longest distance. Our body can have and because of that distance you’ve now dissipated all of that £1200 of force over. Let’s call this person like None 10 n six feet tall whatever it might be. Over like seven feet and now you’ve been able to dissipate this down to just maybe a hundred or two hundred pounds of force that they’re really taking and it’s it’s amazing. So it’s the same way that you can walk on hot coals and not burn your feet. You’re you’re taking that that heat let’s call it just energy and you’re. Dissipating it as you’re walking and you’re that small part of your foot touching that hot hole only a split second which is why we’re able to roll because that split second of force doesn’t really ever happen or yeah, so.

18:49.40
Craig
Manageable in each muscle.

18:39.52
Josh
Ah, so yeah, exactly we don’t need just our quads to be able to take the £1200 of force but we can have the rest of our body help dissipate all of it. so so yeah there is of course that strength element. There’s that repetition part of it. But yeah I mean I guess there’s those are the big 2 to be honest.

19:29.68
Craig
Um, but it it points to mindfulness like it’s None thing to say I’m gonna do a bunch of squats and then it’s another thing to say I’m going to do squats I’m gonna pay attention to how much strength I have well you know when you none begin squatting? Yeah okay, that’s fine. But how much strength do I have down at the very bottom like can I make the squat go really slow or do as mine do at the very bottom I kind of collapse into the hunter’s squat onto the balls of my feet and sort of drop into resting on on my glutes laying on the back of my ankles and. That’s an opportunity to be like whoa. That’s drastically weaker than like my mid-range power and I like how you point out about ground reaction time because it it makes you um I’m having flashbacks to having once tried six feet drop on the concrete and it was like that’s high enough that I had time to go.

20:48.82
Josh
Oof yeah.

21:14.60
Craig
Mistakes were made you know and like if I’m still waiting for the ground. You know it’s a long way to go? Um, but your your point about the ground reaction and the time to respond is if you’re prepared for the first you know like landing feelers to just touch the ground that might give you you know four more inches like know that I got my. My Quads engaged. Um, so I Really think you’re onto something about obviously about you know that can that thinking about that softness can lead you to being mindful of reps of repetition. So cool.

22:09.50
Josh
yeah yeah I mean I yeah know I honestly what I’ll do is I’ll also train with my eyes closed so that it’s yeah I’m taking those drops. You know we’re talking like a foot or maybe two feet at tops so that my brain.

22:27.24
Craig
Let me sure I’m not cutting you off.

22:47.24
Josh
Literally looking for that as opposed to relying on other senses. So if I’m relying on my site to tell me when I’m about to take an impact the moment I go outside when it’s dark out to train and I don’t have that to be 100% now my landings don’t exist anymore. So.

23:03.32
Craig
Um.

23:23.86
Josh
I’ll rely on these other senses to hopefully you know pick up where I take away one of them and and to be honest, you know you hear about it all time those people who take away one sense. All the others pick up a little bit more and that is very true with my training I’ll train eyes closed as much as possible and that. Helps me fix a lot of my and my hard landings issues and of course my fluidity also makes me not be able to see myself so I don’t have to see how rigid I am with my movement.

24:36.14
Craig
I hate every once in while I shoot a video like oh I’m trying to do a kong take a video i’s like oh my god delete that and delete it out of the deleted pile. You know what? not even wait thirty days that has to go now I’m wondering about um without starting a holy war about shoes.

24:29.86
Josh
Yeah, yeah.

25:11.76
Craig
I’m just wondering what your thoughts are on. Um I Personally don’t like a lot of padding and shoes. So the shoes that I love most which they no longer make I pull the insoles out and just run around on a couple millimeters of rubber but I do actually carry the insoles with me when I’m traveling or I know it be off for days.

25:12.44
Josh
Yeah, yeah.

25:47.12
Craig
And I’ll slip them in because I’m like okay I need to I need to bring some padding in here because this is gonna be a long day. But when I go running normally which isn’t often I take them out. Um, and I’m just wondering if you have any other thoughts on like I mean I don’t want to like preach to the choir but you know marshmallow shoes are bad. And I’m just thinking because your point about ground reaction plays right into that like if you try some small drops barefoot You get a whole new world. Yeah, about that when do you actually feel the ground because you can actually feel it. Um.

26:35.24
Josh
Yeah, yeah, and I and I think you’ve actually way back in the old days taken a few of my you know shoeless classes where we go barefoot We we run we? Yeah yeah.

27:09.94
Craig
Um, probably the None place I ever did anything barefoot in park horror was some crazy thing with you on sunday.

27:10.72
Josh
So and that was during a time period where I spent I think it was Austin and I we both spent as much time during that summertime barefoot training and pushing ourselves to you know how much can we actually train getting back to a sense of normality without shoes that we would if we did have shoes.

28:00.78
Craig
Yeah.

27:49.62
Josh
But the with shoes conversation is to be honest, it’s so so polarized you either really love the thicker shoes or you don’t and I personally have always stuck to the thinner shoes only because I actually started with thicker shoes when i. None started training and I noticed myself twisting my ankles getting a lot of twisted ankles whether it’s ah we call them quakeways or whatever it might be just like oh that really hurt now I got to sit out for ten fifteen twenty minutes just so I can get back. Whatever strength I have or maybe I have to call it today so that extra height was ah.

28:48.24
Craig
M.

29:04.56
Josh
Disadvantage for me in the earlier parts now. We can also argue that my my muscles were not strong enough at the time in my ankles but at the same time you know all that extra lift took away my ability to feel and then when I was landing I lost my mechanical alignment of just. Now my ankles twist None way or another and it’s game over so but I would definitely say I like the softer I’m sorry I like the thinner shoes but I still like to have a soft rubber which means I wear through them a little quicker. Yeah.

30:28.00
Craig
Yeah, that’s that’s a good point I’m like I like barefoot I try to be barefoot as much as I can just during the day normally. But yeah, when it gets rainy metal railings get slippery and cold and and like it you know I don’t um, horrible visual I don’t do park or naked because I like not to get sunburner I like to be warm or so there’s.

30:46.10
Josh
Yeah.

31:07.14
Craig
You know I’m definitely a tool user like all people are so I definitely believe you know the right shoe for the for the job I think it’s just a question of being intentional about what you choose like you know I like this rubber it sticks really nice sticks better than my feet would stick the thing So I’m going to go with that. Yeah cool.

31:22.38
Josh
Yeah, yeah, but ah I know there’s a Geho from Korea Amazing! Mover Super duper soft with his jumps and he does massive jumps all the Time. He’s an individual that I would probably put in the category Of. Ah, he has such quiet movement with such thick souls not because of the souls of course but he he doesn’t then have to react as much when he does those gigantic Jumps I’m not specific I don’t know exactly what shoes he wears but he has such amazing fluidity and.

32:49.80
Craig
It clearly works right.

32:39.20
Josh
Power. Yes, So he he’s the opposite side of the spectrum where he has a little bit of a thicker so type of shoe and I Honestly think if I was doing a lot more massive jumps on a regular basis I Probably also would you know pick much larger shoes but you know he he does it. He makes it look Amazing. He makes it very smooth. He Also I’m sure has a great training routine that you know he’s built up to over Time. So but.

33:43.16
Craig
Yeah, I’m kind of thinking like wearing a helmet generally would increase my safety but it’s kind of really important on high-speed drag racing you know because like the chances of needing the helmet go up so it it sounds to me like it’s um, if 1 is intentional about yes I’m going to be doing. You know these things I’m going to wear.

33:44.12
Josh
Yeah.

34:22.52
Craig
You know these protect these particular shoes or I’m doing this activity I’m wearing a helmet I’m doing that activity I’m going to put gloves on or whatever. So yeah, oh what do you want to talk about in the last few minutes you want to talk about engineering you want talk about parkor obstacles I probably could get about an hour out of you about building parkor obstacles.

34:33.35
Josh
Um, ah oh yeah, but.

35:02.34
Craig
Um, maybe the few let’s see. Um, what is it about a lot of people build park or obstacles. But you’re like definitely in the crime Del crime you’re like in the top of the echelon. Um, but what is it? What? what itch does that scratch for you creating obstacles.

35:06.92
Josh
Yeah, yeah, so it comes from 2 different areas my grandfather he worked at Bethlem Steele a local um you know business that was back in the you know early None s and seventy s that shut down. Amazing for their carpentry work and he taught me everything about carpentry and I I value those lessons so so much so I’m always constantly innovating and creating and building stuff with my hands I can’t stop even if I tried and with that. You know the engineering degree allowed me to now you know use softwares and stuff and bring my imagination to a canvas. You know some people paint some people ah draw some people write I can’t do any of those things but I do love designing and I actually. Just started ah this past two weeks a new engineering role I’m a lead engineer at a local company now who does amazing things where we create technology for the department of defense and they just literally handed me the reins and they’re like you know what? just. Design run with it. You know, just meet their needs and we’re happy with it. So I literally am just always loving the idea of how can I solve a problem but in my own way and thinking outside of the box. So ah, yeah, yeah, so um.

38:13.82
Craig
No pun intended ha.

38:11.70
Josh
So whenever I’ve actually designed a lot of parkor gyms throughout the country up to this point people have the option through Parkour Generations Americas to reach out and say hey I want a design you know I’m handing you guys the reins here’s my space here’s an empty canvas build me something. And I always tell people or I always ask them I should say right from the beginning give me a scale of 1 to 10? How complicated you want it to be because I can give you a one which is like here’s a box and a box and a box and you know any dad with a hammer any dad with a hammer can build it and then I say there’s a None

39:28.74
Craig
Zen. Yeah.

39:23.74
Josh
Which is you’ve given me the reins and I will tell you how to build it I will give you the blueprints but you know what you know it’s going to take a really skilled you know, ah carpenter to be able to really put this together. So no, one’s taken a 10 yet the highest I’ve gotten is a 4 ah, so one day if someone is listening and they really want a ah parkcor gym. You know out of None I’m always happy to go that route. Yeah but but at this point it’s just I love the idea of just building creating and you know.

40:30.56
Craig
Reach out cool.

40:35.26
Josh
I double reinforce I overengineer something so that it never has just one purpose if you ever come to our gym every object in that place has been flipped around twice 3 times and has been used 8 different ways because whenever I build it. It is structurally strong in every single way.

41:27.10
Craig
Clearly clearly scratching a creative itch for you write up your engineering alley and also creative all right Josh well I’m just watching our time take away I I think I will just say and of course the final question 3 words to describe your practice.

41:12.66
Josh
So Every stay safe. Yeah, yeah.

41:45.76
Josh
Yeah, um I mean whether it comes to ah when I build something or specifically the the session I’m gonna be running at and Nyc is ah longevity repetition and purpose.

42:37.70
Craig
Nice I’m scribbling sweet Josh it was a pleasure to finally get a chance to sit down and talk I was almost thinking you know we could ah well it’s easier to do it over the internet I’m like you’re not that far away all right cool.

42:47.68
Josh
Yeah, so.

43:08.96
Craig
Um, it was a pleasure to talk to you I’m looking forward to getting a chance to jam a little bit. There’s a couple of coaches sessions that we get to play in and I’ll see you in a couple weeks and I hope everybody else catch a chance to catch your session as well. Thanks Josh.

43:22.92
Josh
Yep, Thank you.

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This article is based on the episode, Tuline Kinaci: Tantra, authenticity, and eye contact


Tuline Kinaci is an all-around mover, a dancer, rock climber, traceusse and earned her degree in athletic training. In addition to her movement practices, Tuline is a certified authentic Tantra instructor, teaching holistic healing of body, mind, spirit and sex. Tuline considers herself a sex activist and is the founder of LoveCraft, a sexual coaching and empowerment collective.

Tantra was the obvious place to begin since we were surely going to end up talking about tantric sex. My fear was that most people’s—myself included—knowledge of Tantra would be something to do with the artist, Sting. We immediately agreed that leaving the world only knowing about “men in linen pants” would be a disservice.

Tantra means, literally, to weave light and sound with form, the light being visualizations of your chakras in your body, sound being chants that you’re making, and then the form being your body, your physical body. That’s it, in a nutshell. The way that often looks is meditating. The way a lot of people do that is they’ll meditate and then have sex; they’ll meditate during sex; they’ll meditate on their own without any sex. Yeah, that’s kind of that, which means nothing, right? It’s like a, ‘Cool, and then what?’ which is what got me into having a coach.

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Transcript for “Balance – with Sam Sweet and Ben Klein”

Episode: Balance – with Sam Sweet and Ben Klein

00:00.00
Craig
Hello I’m Craig Constantine welcome to the Movers Mindset podcast where I talk with movement enthusiasts to find out who they are what they do and why they do it. My guests today are Sam Sweet and Ben Klein welcome Sam welcome Ben how are you guys today?

00:15.67
Ben and Sam
Hey glad to be here good. How’s it going.

00:40.78
Craig
It’s going very well I mean it’s an excellent question anytime that I get to talk to people I get excited. So anybody who ever asked me of course I’m having a good time. Um I want to start normally people who’ve listened to the show like we’re doing something a little different with some of these episodes and I want to start by mentioning that in a couple weeks. No fast forwarding. On the weekend that is may none through the none just over two weeks from today Sam and Ben will be at the move Nyc event in Manhattan teaching sessions involving imagine this balancing and acrobatics if you didn’t see that coming. You don’t know who Sam And Ben are that event is run by the movement creative for information and tickets to the event. Please go to their website. It is the movementcreative dot com and just click on move Nyc at the top. Anyway, that’s my spiel so Sam Ben I was super excited to talk to you guys because I love meeting people who like to share their passion with others. So. It’s None thing to talk to people who love to move love to play I get to do that a lot. But for you guys I’m curious about like. Please make the joke as a person this end up only no inversions. Um I’m always curious about people who get hooked or who get interested in balancing or even acrobatics like what their but their journey is so I’m wondering if there are things that you’ve seen people like are there say other. Gateway successes like when you see them do something that lights their passion and that like opens up that new world for them are their particular experiences that I don’t wanna say trigger people that’s the wrong context but are there things that set them off on the right road.

03:50.51
Ben and Sam
Um, yeah, no, it’s a very ah it’s a very interesting thing that we actually talk about a lot in acrobatics. Um, that basically what? what’s nice about partner acrobatics is that. There’s a lot of things. There’s a lot of different ways to get upside down and there’s a lot of different ah ways to assist people when you have a None person working with you so people I think the thing that most people are are ah surprised about is how quickly they can start doing things that seem. Ah. Seem advanced right? exactly where they can ah be going upside down you know within their none class or 2 and ah doing some some really fun balances sometimes that comes back because there’s also a you know, ah partner acroback is a very. Deep discipline where you can get into very very advanced poses that take a long time so sometimes people are are I’d say it’s got ah a very friendly start to the learning curve and ah and then. Ah, it gets harder from there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically yeah, but it’s very nice so people can come and come and play and get hooked and then the hard work comes later sometimes it.

06:23.54
Craig
Um, but I imagine that’s a good thing.

06:42.12
Craig
Um, is there. Um, how do I How do I like I’m never at a loss for things to ask I’m always at a loss for how to pack it down into a small number of words so people don’t think I’m insane I am insane but are there are there activities. So like if I say I want to go run I don’t want to make. Running sound like it’s easy but generally speaking like we run right? and like getting good at standing. Okay I mean this standing is really complex but we do this so Well. What I want to know is is it I’m going to set Mayor quoting is it as simple as just doing.

07:20.93
Ben and Sam
Especially when you do it on in person.

07:58.88
Craig
The balancing and the acrobatics over and over and over I mean yes, please do it with a teacher but is it as simple as putting in the time in the reps or are there really things about being inverted. For example, that are so fundamentally different from my normal.. Ah, lived experience that it’s like well okay, None you’re going to have to do this whole world of things that have nothing to do with Muscular strength see what I’m saying like if if somebody wanted to tell me how to like do yoga Tree Pose. That’s basically do more of the balancing than I do every day am I making sense.

08:40.93
Ben and Sam
Yeah I think it depends on what your goal is you know like if you’re just trying to get upside down and be balanced. That’s not very hard. But if you’re trying to do something more like something a little more dynamic or trying to throw something or.

09:03.40
Craig
Um.

09:18.27
Ben and Sam
Trying to you know, do something That’s not just standing or just upside down then then you have to there is more musculature. There is more um, things that you have to think of. But if your goal is to just get someone upside down or someone on their feet or just to like learn to have someone start to learn to be balanced. Um, you can just come as you are um, come as you are and see if you can not be scared to stand on someone. Yeah.

10:41.40
Craig
Most people pay.

10:27.21
Ben and Sam
There is definitely.. There is definitely ah, an interesting mental aspect to being upside down. Yeah, it’s on top of the strength right? because a lot of it is ah and not even upside down upside down is actually easy. What I think is harder for people is being in positions that are counterbalanced with me where you’re where you’re. Close to being upright or close to being upside down but you have to hold a little bit off from that because your body will naturally want to like come back to being straight right? like yeah exactly you’re naturally gonna want to correct out that that little bit of Unbalance. So for things where you have to be um, slightly off balanceance.

11:32.16
Craig
Correct, yeah correct right? Yeah I’m air quote again. Hi.

11:43.47
Ben and Sam
Then those can actually be some of the trickiest things but a lot of that is mental and a lot of that is just getting your bearings of of ah your orientation and and just your awareness in the air. Yeah, the mental game of acrobatics. Partner Acrobetics specifically is something that I struggle with because I um had a stronger like I started hand balancing before I started partner acrobetics and I had a stronger solo practice when I was Younger. So I’m very controlling. And um, which makes me a good base. Ah but it doesn’t quite make me the best I have to work harder to fly because flying is more is less control I feel. It’s more just like letting the the ground changes under you.

13:38.60
Craig
More like.

13:50.00
Craig
Literally if that leads right into I’m thinking oh this is I mean it seems like it would be like dance and I’m wondering does that mean sounds like what you’re saying is that one person has to sort of lead in the partnered balancing movements and the other person has to.

13:36.27
Ben and Sam
So it’s letting the base be the ground.

14:26.30
Craig
Follow or is it more of a literal balance where you’re working together and the sorry I’m like trying to load new terms in my head the ground has to learn to follow the flyer as much as the flyer is following the ground or like how does that how does the interplay of 2 people like play out.

14:41.79
Ben and Sam
Yeah, well acrobatics has gotten very wide. Um and it’s started to incorporate all sorts of different disciplines cheer tricks accrioga like like there’s ah, there’s so many different ways of of.

15:09.48
Craig
M.

15:20.75
Ben and Sam
Moving with somebody else and lots of elements of dance and things like that. So. There’s really But yeah I mean that is the interpersonal is probably the hardest thing about doing acrobatics and it’s the most different thing from maybe some solo movement practices if you’re doing parkour or something like that. Um. And the answer is There’s lots of different ways. But yeah leading and following are both very important skills and sometimes ah sometimes the flyer may lead a particular skill sometimes the base may lead a particular skill sometimes None person might initiate a skill while another person is leading the balance or something like that right? So there’s. It gets. There’s as many different ways to do it as there are different skills to do right? So like there’s ah situations when either person might be leading ah depending on the trick and what you’re trying to accomplish and depending on your partnership. Yeah.

17:22.68
Craig
Um, yeah, does it is it.

17:10.90
Ben and Sam
Which is what makes it even more because even more complicated to dance. Okay, you’re going to lead I’m going to follow. It’s like okay in this trick I’m leading this part of it in this trick you’re going to. You know it’s like there’s there’s.

17:39.94
Craig
Is it better or worse if the 2 people have some sort of relationship like is it is it better if you bring a friend that you know and trust versus like bring your but I got to believe there’s ah, there’s some level and like I kind of suspect that you were going to say that right? because like.

17:35.65
Ben and Sam
Um, no, it’s so much here so much worse.

18:16.90
Craig
I’ve done enough things to know like there’s probably a level of familiarity and comfort and trust like if you have that that makes it easier like 2 random you know strangers you have to like build that quickly but then beyond that too much familiarity might be a problem.

18:19.49
Ben and Sam
Um, yeah I think no I think it’s it’s that’s it’s necessary and it’s like if you’re going to get good at. Doing acrobatics. You need to be Around. You’re going to be.. It’s like you know it’s like any other. It’s a pretty big partnership. It’s like having a band or something you’re going to Fight. You’re going to have intense discussions. You’re going to go back and forth about things. But. In order to work it out. That’s kind of sometimes what’s necessary right? So you try and do the best you can to to let like work in a nice way and not let things get personal and obviously if you have other relationships that complicates that too. But it’s going to be regardless of what your other relationship is if you’re doing. A lot of partner acrobatics if somebody are going to have a close relationship due to the acrobatics. Yeah.

20:15.38
Craig
The licensecening rhythm I mentioned at the top that you guys are going to be presenting and I know you’re doing 2 different sessions which I in my gross negligence forgot to write down the titles of your sessions. Um, but I’m thinking ah 1 of them is.

20:35.99
Ben and Sam
Yeah, well, we’re doing foot to hand and hand to hand so that’s ah, kind of one of the you know one of the most basic ah elements of what fundamental elements of of acrobatics. Yeah.

20:52.30
Craig
Hand to foot and.

21:15.42
Craig
Um, well definitely recognizable right? like this is people with like what they just imagined and and for the it just that’s the thing. So convince me why ys you don’t want to be under me Um, but like convince me that I like convince me that I should come like why should.

21:12.39
Ben and Sam
Yeah, he’s either standing in somebody’s hands or doing a handand in somebody’s hands. Yeah.

21:52.98
Craig
Craig show up at this session aside for the fact that I I think I’m actually teaching at the same time of one of them but keep going. Um so why should new people show up like what is it about it that you know is the thing that they’re going to get so excited about once they see it.

21:43.49
Ben and Sam
Um, yeah, um.

21:58.95
Ben and Sam
I Think it’s just a very interesting feeling that you’re not going to get from anywhere else and maybe you won’t like it. But maybe you will but ah but keep when we’re Starting. You’re only going to be you know, maybe a foot off the ground. So Even though it feels very. It may feel very scary and disorienting to be balanced but you know it’s not. So scary and it’s like I said it’s an experience. You’re not going to get anywhere else if you haven’t had somebody try and balance you Ah, It’s definitely a very humbling fun and interesting experience and fun. Yeah, especially.

23:25.30
Craig
Humbling. Is it good. That’s a good point about no.

23:17.57
Ben and Sam
Sorry, especially I think for like people who have strong movement practices and already um, a lot of people will come here ah to our space and. They’ll have strong movement practices and then Ben is super strong and very persuasive so he will always get people to fly on him and a lot of times. It’s they’re always very humbled because it is a lot different to move with somebody than it is to just move by yourself. And it’s like an end if you have a strong movement practice. They’re always usually humbled and like oh I’m hooked. Um, so it’s like very cult like in that way, it’s a it’s just a very different mode of moving moving. Even if you’ve done a lot of athletics like chances are. If you haven’t done partner acroratics before you haven’t been balanced which is which is a very very different feeling.

25:28.38
Craig
I’m so I’m torn. There’s multiple ways to go here and I’m watching the clock tick. Ah I’m but did I correctly see something about contact improv on one of your Instagram posts because Andrew Cicino has been on the show. I would say he’s a friend of mine I don’t know you know how good he would consider me a friend but I’ve done a little bit of contact improv and that’s probably the closest thing that people would have bumped into in in terms of it’s not partner practice like contact improv isn and partner practice like ballroom dance. But there’s this dynamic aspect to it if you have other people that you’re in contact with and I think that’s a good place.

26:24.45
Ben and Sam
Oh sure and it can get pretty acrobatic I mean if you look at like ah like momentics and some places like that like they do some very acrobatic ah contact Improv Style style style movement right? where they’re getting people on top of each other. They’re carrying them around and stuff like that.

27:05.66
Craig
Um.

27:03.73
Ben and Sam
Ah, and yeah, it’s similar I think the difference in the conduct Improv is in the the body tension a little bit especially of the flyer whereas like in conduct Improv A lot of times you’re trying to be loose and like go with the flow whereas in acrobatics.

27:51.16
Craig
Red.

27:42.50
Ben and Sam
It’s going to be a little bit more tension a little bit more.. Ah yeah, a little more active a little more active, especially on the flyers roll. We do have. We do have a contact in pref class. Um, we don’t teach it. It’s a teacher that is a friend of ours. Um I don’t. Do much contact improv because like he was saying it’s different for the flyer I don’t have that kind of flow. Um I don’t quite understand letting my body be flowy like that and draping I’m like no I’m strict and Rigid and I’m an object.

29:07.42
Craig
I’m I’m chuckling with you I too I am in that boat. Um, you we have you have said here and you have said we have so now I need to know where where is here What is the name of your organization and where can people find out more.

29:17.35
Ben and Sam
Oh that’s important sure so about five years ago ah this all started in long island city. We had a ah gym there which then. cosmic fit club cosmic called Cosmic Fit Club yeah and it was a great place. We had all sorts of fitness classes all sorts of events we had cosmic lights and projectors with our parties. We do all sorts of very fun. Ah movement related activities there it closed due to covid. And right now we have a loft in greenpoint we rent it for aerial training we so we have ah all sorts of aerialists and acrobats and different and dancers different movement practitioners come here and we’ve got ah basically 2 so 2 smaller private studios. Ah, we get a lot of ah rehearsals and things like that in here. So and we teach classes out of here and we have arrower point rentals we rent it by the hour. Yeah oh just cosmic cosmic fit club at cosmic foot club.

31:30.82
Craig
Um, and what’s the Instagram handle I don’t let people get away.

31:36.71
Ben and Sam
O m I c f I t c l u b and then we have our schedule up at http://cosmicfitclub.com um you can see any events that we’re hosting um I’m excited. We’re hosting a contortion event pretty soon from my contortion teacher. So super excited about that.

32:24.40
Craig
Nice terrific I warn people. But.

32:12.43
Ben and Sam
And then you can see our classes as well and also um, our we put the move and my C event up on our website as Well. We linked it to um, their website. We’re really excited to be partnering with them I’m excited to learn some parkour. I’m going to learn some flips this.

33:13.18
Craig
Ykes you might have just started a holy war. Oh that’s cool. Um I weren’t guests up front and say like I won’t let you out without telling me the names of if you’ve tried eventually people um like stop. What’s the name of the thing tell me about it. Cool.

33:05.35
Ben and Sam
Um, okay yeah.

33:42.98
Craig
Anything else rattling around in your minds at the moment that you’re like oh and I also want to add, you can say no, you can say whatever you like.

33:34.69
Ben and Sam
Um, um. No I Think it’s great I think ah, we’re excited to come see what these guys are building on the rooftop and it sounds like it’s gonna be a really fun event and there’s gonna be I’ve been what we’ve been watching the social media and stuff. There’s a lot of cool people coming and yeah, it’s gonna be great.

34:21.58
Craig
Yeah, there there is a lot of co people I don’t know how I got invited I have imposter syndrome I watched them oh good I’m gonna hide behind the 2 of you. Um I’ve yeah when you mentioned like the.

34:21.11
Ben and Sam
Same this.

34:58.30
Craig
Nature of what you’re going to be teaching I was going to make a joke like and we’re gonna be on a rooftop. We really are going to be in a rooftop. However, the the rooftop has sides and and covered don’t panic people definitely go and you you want to go.

34:48.63
Ben and Sam
Are.

35:00.89
Ben and Sam
I we used to do ah acrobatics on her rooftop which has about like ah like a ° to it. yeah yeah I booked a gig on a rooftop. Ah.

35:32.66
Craig
Um, in the minute they call that a tumble home right? off? Yeah not good.

35:37.37
Ben and Sam
Next week and I was like how close are we to the edge of this because this seems like not a good idea but they said they promised me I was far from the edge. Um I do want to talk about our other class our other class we’re teaching on Sunday is a group class group acrobatics class and and.

36:00.34
Craig
Roll all right look up. Um, please do.

36:15.27
Ben and Sam
Hand to hand and Footananna great I love hand hand and foot to hand but like honestly group acerbatics is what’s more close is what’s close to my heart. It’s what I um like so much more. Um.

36:56.84
Craig
And and you said that’s which day was that I’m not sure that I heard that Sunday cool I actually I think Moveyc actually I am hundred percent certain by the time anybody hears this I know that the full schedule is published so you can see who’s where in which days but keep going group.

36:47.99
Ben and Sam
Sunday.

37:14.97
Ben and Sam
Yeah group backros just anything you’re doing with more than 2 people. Ah, it’s a whole lot of fun because kind of like what we’re saying before with the more people you have the more people you have to help you through things and so you can get to do a lot of very fun things. Ah even early on.

37:32.96
Craig
Acro.

37:53.61
Ben and Sam
Ah, and it’s a lot of collaboration and it’s a lot of fun because you can build something with 4 or 5 people and make 1 big structure. yeah yeah I like it for the fact that i.

38:32.54
Craig
Shared experience. Cool all right good.

38:32.73
Ben and Sam
I’m pretty like I am pretty strong for my size so I get to base and I get to fly um at the same time when we do like pyramids which is really fun for me. Um, and it’s it’s like a big challenge. Um, for me as well. Which I think is fun and just like also the communication between because it’s hard enough to communicate with None people when you do partner acrobatics and then you add um more people and the challenge of communication and making sure everyone’s heard and making sure that. You know everyone’s safe because you can do a lot bigger tricks with more people so making sure that the safety is happening is there is also important. Um, which is nice because which we’re fortunate here. Have a set of lines for when we throw people we can catch them in a safety belt as well.

41:00.54
Craig
Well I think that’s probably a good place to call it for today I will just say and of course the final question 3 words to describe your practice.

41:07.73
Ben and Sam
You go first. Ah. Fun, exciting flow. Um, technical. Creative um, thoughtful. I don’t know do that spell an anagram of some sort. We. What do we? What do we to get if we put the none letters of all those Ff. Yeah.

42:21.18
Craig
Terrific. Well thank you I’m so it doesn’t fef to well actually you know wait. Wait. There’s an interesting symmetry here. Ben’s is fe f for fun, exciting flow and sam’s is technical creative and thoughtful I’m so I scribble as fast as I can which is Fef and Tct which is interesting slow anyway, I’m going to try I’m gonna but.

42:42.25
Ben and Sam
Um, theft that we just need to add a c in there and we’ll have a cosmic fit club. Yeah, we’ll start fit this highiku.

43:19.84
Craig
That’s what I was just thinking but all right? Let’s let’s what a happy coincidence to land on terrific all right guys? Um, thank you so much for taking the time and I appreciate joining me and I look forward to getting to re meet you in a couple weeks. Thanks.

43:31.70
Ben and Sam
Um, yeah, thank you, Thank you Bye everybody

Balance – with Sam Sweet and Ben Klein

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Episode: Dani Almeyda and Tim Anderson: Original Strength, mission, and synergy

Dani 0:05
Our whole goal has always just been to get people to move, like to move and to get back to the very basics and the foundations and at the heart of that is always been that we wanted people to feel the hope that movement can bring into our life and to understand that moving heals the body. And so you know, kind of coming into all that I think that sometimes people get stuck in that fitness lens of needing a workout and thinking it needs to be complicated and, and things like that. And so when you look at learning new things, they’re thinking they’re just coming in to learn a couple of exercises to do XYZ. And it’s really it’s it’s a way of life is what we’re trying to kind of coach people through in a way to see people we’re trying to coach, coaches or professionals how to see the body and how to help other people see their own bodies, I guess.

Tim 0:56
But we also try to establish the conditions like so if you walk into our studio on the wall, it says I am awesomely and wonderfully made. Like that’s the message we want people to get when they come in to learn about themselves.

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Dani Almeyda and Tim Anderson: Original Strength, mission, and synergy

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‘Peanut butter and chocolate’ perfectly describes Dani Almeyda and Tim Anderson’s working relationship, and why they’ve successfully built a business together. They discuss Original Strength, what it takes to work with someone for 10 years, and why they remain passionate about their work. Dani unpacks her work with the Women’s Movement Collaborative, and Tim shares his process and influences. They explain their beginnings as OS, how they’ve grown, and what motivates each of them personally.

Tim Anderson is an experienced fitness professional, writer, speaker, and former fire fighter. He has over 20 years of experience as a personal trainer, and is the co-creator of the Original Strength System and Original Strength Institute. In addition to fitness, he has authored and co-authored over 5 books. Tim’s methodology is centered on one key principle; we are meant to feel good and be strong throughout our lives.

Danielle Almeyda is a fitness professional with over a decade of experience in the industry. She is a the co-creator of the Original Strength System as well as the Original Strength Institute, and the founder of the Women’s Movement Collaborative. Dani’s passion lies in helping people reclaim their movement and their hope.

Highlight [0:00]

Introduction [1:09]

Synergy [3:11]

  • Complimentary strengths; Dani is ideas, Tim is execution
  • Origin story; Sweatshirt gift and loyalty
  • Differing approaches, but values and purpose align
  • Working together for over 10 years, how they work
  • Knowing each others style, bouncing ideas, back and forth

Purpose and mission [18:10]

  • Client perceptions; simply being themselves, compassionate
  • Goal: movement and hope; lifestyle and mindset
  • Shifting the lens from ‘fitness’ to feeling good, being capable
  • Tim’s connection between physical and mental health, ability to be your best
  • Dani’s growth, pushing past doubt or competition, self awareness

Focus [29:15]

  • Dani is always thinking ahead, new ideas
  • Less fitness, more wellness, movement – holistic
  • For Tim, it’s all the same, extensions of the foundation – all his focus stays there
  • Started with movement, but now teaching coaches, interns, publishing, online training and consulting, but all “on mission”

Questions for each other [35:21]

  • Women’s Movement Collaborative, Dani’s project, seeing and filling a need
  • Connecting people, sharing experiences, collaborating
  • Sparking new directions
  • Tim’s motivation and approach
  • Allowing space for new ideas, showing up

Conversation space [40:14]

  • Wanting the mics…
  • Asking the right questions; publicly sharing
  • Vulnerability, challenging each other, relatability
  • Looking ahead, what’s next, watching each other grow

Teaching and experiencing [48:15]

  • Experiential teaching over explanations every time
  • creates trust, rapport
  • Your body is the best teacher

Influences and Journey [51:48]

  • Tim’s influences; all based on kindness
  • John Brookfield (creator of battling ropes) and Dan John
  • Taking him under their wings, caring and showing kindness
  • Dani’s parents’ role in her life, coaches, husband
  • Learning from example of both good and bad
  • Small moments of learning

Women’s Movement Collaborative [1:03:47]

  • Women’s spaces; collaboration, participation, intentional changing of the typical space
  • Caitlin Pontrella’s guidance
  • Creating a space of equals sharing, changing terminology
  • Spark storm structure, creating connection, sharing

Recharging [1:10:08]

  • Tim’s work is his recharge; he loves what he does
  • Taking walks, training, and alone time
  • Dani’s injury, riding her bike, chickens, gardening
  • Major recharge; going to the woods, being outside

COVID effects [1:13:53]

  • Used the time wisely, working behind the scenes
  • Technology vs in person, struggle vs opportunity
  • Focusing on opportunities that the pandemic brought
  • Huge learning experience, growth

3 words [1:18:30]

  • Dani: Simple, compassionate, holistic
  • Tim: ‘Movement heals you’ or ‘yes you can’

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