Donald Trump

Rafe:
And so, recently my daughter has been complaining all the time about Donald Trump. She’s seven-years-old. It’s like I’m not trying to defend Donald Trump, but I’m like, “You shouldn’t be caring about Donald Trump. You’re seven-years-old.” It’s like, “Tell me a policy of Donald Trump’s that you think is bad, and tell me why you think it’s bad.”

Craig:
Right.

Rafe:
And I’m like challenging her. It’s like, “You can have an opinion about things as soon as you can do that. Right? You can tell me how Donald Trump is the worst president ever as soon as you can tell me what his policies are and why they’re bad and what the comparison is.” Right? If you’re just going to reflect the animus that is held by the people around you about somebody. Right? Maybe in this case it’s deserved, but that’s how witch hunts start.

Craig:
Yes.

Rafe:
And so, I’m challenging her. I’m saying, “I don’t want you to go down this road of letting your emotions be run by other people’s perception of something that you haven’t studied yourself.” So, that was the story that popped into my head.

Craig:
That’s a great story. I didn’t even have to say … And I love to tell people, “Please share stories,” but that’s great. So, I just want to be mindful of your time today. The very last thing that I want to ask people. And since we’re doing this as a big open question, which I think we’ll just leave this in, I always explain … usually intended for the cutting room floor … I usually explain that I ask at the end for three words to describe your practice. And in your case, unpacking practice, that won’t make you stumble at all. You’re like, “I know exactly what I be thinking about.”

Craig:
But I tell people that the three words can be anything you want, and it’s intentionally a little challenging to find three. Although I think I know what three you’re going to use. And then you can either just drop the words and then we’ll be done, or we can unpack them a little bit. So, that’s one of the things I want to end with. So, when we’re ready to go out the door, I’ll ask that question.