On goals

Craig: If you get up and you have a free day, which maybe all eight of them, that’s awesome, if you get up and you have a free day, do you have “My goal is to be the emperor, so here’s my 12-year plan.” Or do you just “What do I want to do today?” Because I’ve been to Boulder enough to know there’s a different vibe here, I’m from the East Coast where I did a three-point-K-turn when I missed a thing, and I’m just like, “I’m doing the turn.” And everybody was like, “It’s all good, bro. Go ahead.” And I was just like, “Oh right, this is not the East Coast.” Do you set out with goals, or do you just go whichever way the wind blows you?

Amos: I see value in both, and I’m actually a huge fan of both. I won’t dodge it. I think back to something a lot of people don’t know about me, most of my 20s, I was homeless, and I lived on the street, I traveled on my bicycle, ate out of the trash. That whole gig, very different life.

Craig: I don’t know if it was a gig, but okay. We’ll call that a gig.

Amos: It was a very poor-paying gig.

Craig: I’ve actually done the dirt-bag climber thing, I glommed onto someone for two-and-a-half weeks in Boulder, and he was like, “We’re going to go to this gas station, because they’ll let us fill our water jug. And this Starbucks has a power outlet outside.” And he had a used Starbucks cup, so he could get in, but there was no coffee in it. Anyway, sorry.

Amos: The homeless resources, I know all about those.

Craig: Eating out of trashcans.

Amos: I look back at that time in my life, and one of the more valuable experiences I just absolutely loved from that is my freedom to wander. I really miss that, and I want to set myself up in the future to have some more windows of time for this. But I love not having a plan, and just letting my interactions with random strangers, or anything I see that draws me in, giving my time to those things, and letting them direct me to the next thing I do that day. I love that. Maybe I’m highly influenced by Zelda, I played Zelda: A Link to the Past as a young child.

Craig: It’s dangerous to go alone, take this.

Amos: Sometimes I look at my life in those situations, I’m like, “Oh my god, I’m just acting out this game.” I’ll go and find someone who needs help, I’ll help them, then they’ll give me some tool that helps me in my journey. I really value that, I love that. But also, I have to say that because of the trials I’ve faced over the last couple years, I’ve had to step up my game of organization and productivity to levels I didn’t even know existed, to save the business basically. And I’m so thoroughly happy with what I’m able to do now. I feel like I have found out how to alter time in my own reality, to get real trippy on you here all of a sudden.

Craig: Go for it.

Amos: Just through an ecosystem of systems of being organized, and having a plan, and setting goals. Whether it’s my sleep, my diet, how I exercise, all the journaling, the different ways that I track numbers on myself. Everything from time blocking and time management, to diet journals. I wear an Oura Ring, this is just a good example of how much of a nerd I am about this stuff.

Craig: I looked at those, I was like, “It’s on my list of things to look at.”

Amos: Totally. I feel like if you can measure these things about yourself, then you can manage them. I find that I’ve learned so much about myself, and how to accomplish … Who I was two years ago, you’d need 10 of them to do what I can do now. I’m all about organization, I’m such a nerd on it. But at the same time, I see so much value in those windows of just, hop in the no-plan van.