Three words to describe your practice

Craig: Thanks for sharing. And of course, the final question, three words to describe your practice.

Amos: I would say for me, the experiences that just stick so far beyond the rest of my experience with parkour are those days where there’s no pressure to go work on some project, you’re not trying to film anything, you’re not trying to teach some group. It’s just going out with your friends, it’s a beautiful day, maybe the sun’s going down, there’s a nice breeze. And you’re laughing, and just trying things that you’ve never done before, and it gives you a sense of empowerment and leveling-up. But at the same time, you’re being goofy about it. There’s just no pressure, and it’s just pure enjoyment of moving one’s body and challenging one’s mind.

Amos: And so I think out of my wide ranging experience of parkour, if I said three words that would capture my ideal parkour experience, it would be passion, love, and laughter.

Craig: Thank you very much, Amos. It’s been a pleasure.

Amos: Yeah, man. It’s been a pleasure.

Three words to describe your practice

Craig: And of course, the final question. Three words to describe your practice.

Lynn: I’d say patience, it’s the first word that comes into my mind after two years of struggling with an injury. I did learn how to be patient. I had no choice.

Lynn: Then I would say passion. I’m very passionate about what I do. I do believe that if you’re not passionate about something, it’s impossible to stick with it and do a good job. I think you only do a good job if you actually do it with heart. So I think I’m very passionate about what I do.

Lynn: And the third thing, how would I describe my practice, I would say it’s very social. Even though I’m a very individual person and I do like my quiet, I think my practice most of the time is very social. When I think about training it usually comes with thinking about hanging out with people that I really like, so, even on days I don’t train, I still join that practice maybe to hang out. It’s just my… pretty much my whole life evolves around movement and I’m very happy that that’s the way it is.

Craig: Thank you very much, Lynn. It’s been a pleasure.

Lynn: Thanks for having me.

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Three Words to Describe Your Practice

Craig: And of course, the final question is three words to describe your practice.

Sandro: So that three words in Swiss-German would be Kraft, Nachhaltigkeit, Autonomie. So that will be strength, be strong, [00:27:30] sustainability, and autonomy. So there’s basically a story behind it. If you don’t mind sharing-

Craig: I mean yeah, it has to be shorter than 23 hours. Let’s do that.

Sandro: So basically the “be strong” was really the thing I had in the beginning when I started parkour because I was always like the thin guy. [00:28:00] Really not able to do anything except running.

Craig: I don’t believe that, but okay.

Sandro: Yeah, it was. It was. And so that was quite a big topic when I saw parkour guys doing that stuff first in YouTube videos. When I watched all the YouTube videos, I saw basically very strong guys being [00:28:30] able to do things I was sure I was not able to do at any time. So I got started into it. And as I got started, and as I got further with doing parkour and doing all the stuff, strength went always a little bit more into the background.

Craig: Okay.

Sandro: For me still, it’s strength or to be strong is still a thing, [00:29:00] but not only physically, but also mentally. But it’s more strength or to be strong to be useful, to help other peoples, and not only with the background of physically helping people, but mentally be aware of other peoples. And that they have different backgrounds and that you might help them with being open, with an open mindset and being tolerant. So that’s basically the story about being strong. [00:29:30]

Sandro: And the second one, sustainability, is something I really admire people who are getting older who still deal with being able to move a lot. Maybe to say two persons I admire for that, it’s Ramon Siegenthaler, from Switzerland from ParkourONE. [00:30:00] And also Chau Belle, we had a workshop with him once. And especially or of course, also Sebastien Foucan, and the other founders. But I didn’t meet the other founders, so I cannot tell about them. But yeah, it was the ones I experience, and it’s really admiring how they still move in such good ways. And I think that’s something I want to keep for myself as well, [00:30:30] that I can be able as well in 50 years, maybe not to do so big moves, but to move as a person and to give that on to other people. And I don’t want to end up staying in the house and don’t move anymore at all. I think that’s quite a basic fear I have, being old and not being able to move anymore. [00:31:00] And so I don’t want to have that.

Sandro: And the last one, autonomy, is basically it came as the last part, or it came quite lately. And it’s something I want to share with my students especially. To be autonomous in their own practice. And also to think autonomous and critically, [00:31:30] not only of the practice, or of parkour or what we’re doing at class. But also doing or thinking critical and autonomous in life, when they’re acting-

Craig: -translating it.

Sandro: Yeah, when they’re acting in their life. That’s basically very important for me that my students don’t just look up to me, “Oh, that’s the teacher [00:32:00] saying these very important things.” But that they think of, “Oh, what is he saying?”

Craig: Right.

Sandro: “And does that work for me as well? And can I apply to this?” And I also always, or I try to remember them often that I think critically also about my lessons. And that I think about their feedback when they [00:32:30] are in my lessons. So that’s basically the one thing I want to give on to other people. Or to share with other people, that they start to think critically, and don’t just believe in things that are ….

Craig: Handed to them blindly, right?

Sandro: Exactly.

Craig: Well thank you very much, Sandro. It is a pleasure to talk to you today.

Sandro: Thank you, Craig. It was a pleasure meeting you.

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Three Words to Describe Your Practice

Craig: [36:35] Of course, the final question: three words to describe your practice.

Travis: [36:38] All right. Can I do three fake words and then …

Craig: [36:41] Do whatever you like. This is your interview.

Travis: [36:44] So three fake ones, not really for me, just for everything: Dragon Ball Z, Jackie Chan, and Bruce Lee. Yes, those are just three words.

Craig: [36:51] Those are six words, but … Hyphens are free.

Travis: [36:56] They’re names.

Craig: [36:56] Right.

Travis: [36:58] But I think three words for me, specifically … Maybe it’s just going to end on one word. I don’t … Yeah, making up rules now. But one is phoenix, the rebirth from the ashes.

Craig: [37:12] Right, right.

Travis: [37:12] There’s a lot of things I don’t wanna talk about, but a phoenix is maybe all we need to know, that, through everything, it can come out new and it can come out greater, and that … I don’t know. I can keep pushing on, and maybe it’s not going to be the same, but if I keep putting the time and energy into it, it’s going to be new and it’s going to be better – different, but better, more fitting. So phoenix.

Travis: [37:53] Maybe the next one is love. So much of it in the heart of what I do that drives it.

Travis: [38:05] So when I was leaving my wife, my wife was getting emotional as I left Wisconsin to go to Chicago, and I haven’t seen her like that. But it’s good. Then I think perseverance is the last one, or maybe … Yeah, maybe perseverance. Share. Okay, four words. Perseverance, just keep going. Just keep going. But also share, that … Just give. Give to other people and share what you know. Seek places where people want to do that, where people desire to just give everything.

Travis: [39:13] I tell people that in the extremes, you can see two worlds. Yes, I know this doesn’t work this way, but I think of it as two worlds – one in which everybody has to do everything themselves. Every time you are sick, you figure it out. There’s no hospital. There’s no mother. There’s no person making you soup. You take care of yourself.

Travis: [39:34] Or the other world, where nobody takes care of their self, and everybody looks after someone else, that there is never a single time that you need something, because it’s always provided.

Craig: [39:48] Thank you very much for sharing, Travis. Your passion for your movement and your family and your community obviously shines through. It’s a pleasure talking to you.

Travis: [39:56] Thank you very much, Craig.

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Three words to describe your practice?

Craig: [00:29:30] And, of course, the final question, three words to describe your practice.

Dylan: I guess the first one that occurs to me is evolving, probably, or shifting, changing something along those lines because I almost think of the analogy of how they say you can never look at the same stream twice type of thing. There’s different water flowing through all the time. In a way, for me, my parkour practice is the stream bed, and that’s kind of this consistent [00:30:00] structure and methodology, but the things that I’m doing and the effects that they’re having on me, and the thoughts that I’m having while I’m training is constantly shifting and changing. That’s kind of interesting to notice and to try to derive whatever lessons there are inherent in that fact. For a while there, I feel like I was, for example, trying to build up to bigger and scarier jumps in order to cross some threshold in my mind [00:30:30] of like, “Okay, now I’ve done something-”

Craig: “Now I can jump,” right?

Dylan: Yeah, that’s like legit or whatever. Anymore, I’m just less interested. I feel like I’ve crossed some thresholds where I’ve done some scary jumps and blah, blah, blah…Sometimes I’m still drawn to those, but for the most part, I find that I’m more drawn to quirky, interesting, creative movement. That’s what really jazzes me up and I get really excited, or just flowy, fluid root stuff. [00:31:00] It’s interesting the way the practice kind of evolves and the way you have different places you are in your life and that will affect it. There was times in my life, in my practice early on where a big part of it was I just need to punish myself through a physical conditioning, just brutal physical conditioning.

Then, maybe there were some times when I was like, “I’m just gonna take it easy on myself and do just some chill flowy fun work.” The [00:31:30] mindset that I’m occupying and the motivation it’s all just constantly changing. It’s not staying one thing, but being able to embrace that and honor that and not feel like, “Oh, why aren’t you doing it this way?” Because there no really right or wrong way to practice parkour. There’s just what effect is it having on your life. Is it positive or negative? How are your motivations shifting? Because if this is something that we want to do for the rest of our lives, like many of us do, [00:32:00] it can’t stay the same thing. Life isn’t like that. The person who I was when I started training is a different version of myself than the one now. So it wouldn’t make sense to try to have it be this static thing. So I guess that would be one word to describe the practice.

Another would be purposeful or meaningful. I’m trying to think of the right word. Something around the idea that it has created a touchstone. [00:32:30] Parkour has become a way of thinking about what are correct actions in a given moment and a way of imbuing my life with meaning and giving me a reason to exist. I feel like, definitely, before I trained parkour, there was a large time in my life where I was just killing time, and just fluttering about. There was no organizing principle around my life. Parkour just creates that organizing principle. Like, is what I’m doing [00:33:00] gonna help me be a better practitioner or worse? It helps you make different decisions. Like we touched on earlier, in some of my younger days I would party really hard and do self-destructive behaviors and all these things. When especially for a bunch of those years where my main training things was just those epic long Sunday sessions, if I was going out and getting hammered Saturday night, that day was just lost.

Craig: You took it from yourself. It’s like with [00:33:30] the cupcake. Do you wanna eat the cupcake, you have to carry it over the wall.

Dylan: Right, exactly. Getting into that, what do you want more? Do you want more to do these self-destructive behaviors that seem fun in this moment or do you want to be ready to train, to make gains the next day? In the narrative about yourself, that you’re holding, what type of character do you want to be in the narrative of your own life. Parkour just kind of [00:34:00] helps create that organizing principle where I just start making different decisions and my whole life has just been a much more healthy, happy, satisfied version than I’ve been able to find before that. So many other things tend to fall into place in one’s life outside of that. I’ve found that parkour, if I had to point to one thing, that changed between my kind of like-

Craig: Dylan 1.0 and Dylan 2.0.

Dylan: My angry, dissatisfied, [00:34:30] anxious past self and now which is more satisfied and calm and at peace. Parkour has to be that thing. That change that all these other changes flowed from. I would say purpose-making, if that’s a word.

Craig: Hyphens are free.

Dylan: And then, I mean, I guess the final one would just, and this kind of just brings us back to the initial [00:35:00] description of myself that just blissful. I just love training so much, and it’s fun. That’s kind of the main point of a lot of things. Touching on what we were talking about before about success. At the end of the day, we’re just animals that got smart enough to realize we were here and started having to think about why. The dog doesn’t have these problems. Everything’s all good in the moment. [00:35:30] So, when we’re constructing the meaning of our lives, or deciding what’s important, I definitely feel that having as much joy, as many moments of joy is one way to measure how well things are going. Parkour has just been this joy generator, whether its feeling great after overcoming a physical conditioning challenge or breaking a jump, or just [00:36:00] fun and just play, just a chill session with friends, like, “Oh, What’s that thing you did; I wanna try that thing.” It just creates so many opportunities for just moments of bliss and joy and happiness. That has to be one of the reasons I just want to keep training all the time.

Craig: Thank you very much, Dylan. It’s been a pleasure.

Dylan: Thanks, Craig.

Three words to describe your practice?

Craig: And of course the final question, three words to describe your practice?

Jesse: Resilient, adaptive, and delusional.

Craig: Okay, and why? Or do you care to unpack those, or you [00:31:30] just want to leave it at that?

Jesse: Resilient, I want to keep going, no matter what. Adaptive, it’s maybe the same thing as resilient, but in the moment. The ability to change, of course. And delusional, when I’m moving, I believe that I’m doing the best possible thing I could for the world.

Craig: Well thank you very much, Jesse. It’s a pleasure to talk to you.

Jesse: Thank you.

Three words to describe your practice?

Craig: [00:28:30] And of course the final question, three words to describe your practice.

Elet: I think I’d have to go with “break all the rules.”

That’s four, right? Just making sure.

Craig: That would be four if you …

Elet: That’s kind of the point. No, but in all seriousness, I would go– if I was going for a serious answer, I would say “strength of character.” That’s not just my approach for my parkour practice, that’s for most things in day to day life.

[00:29:00] This is an exploration, this is a journey that we’re on in this life. Being able to find the things that you want and being able to make that decision for yourself and then hold to that is what you need to do. I’m not here to have a battle with myself, I’m not here to have a battle with other people. I’m here to enjoy this life and I’m here to enjoy it with the people I surround myself with and part of that is being able to undertake [00:29:30] the challenges that my life presents without turning away from them.

Approaching them in the way that I want to and making that decision and then living with the consequence of those decisions, that to me is strength of character and that’s why I approach parkour the way that I do, it’s why I’m particular about my practice. It’s because I want to learn certain things from it, I want to experience certain aspects of this life that are brought only through challenge, that are brought only through embracing the process of trying to get, as pun-y as this sounds, [00:30:00] from point A to point B in anything. Whether it’s motorcycle mechanics, whether it’s a hike in the woods or whether it’s an actual parkour practice. Allowing yourself to be immersed in a process is very, very important for our mental health, for our physical health.

One of the consequences that that turns around is a very deep-seated idea of your own self-worth of a great feeling of self-confidence. That strength of character is what I looking for in almost [00:30:30] everything that I do.

Craig: Thank you very much Elot, it’s been a pleasure.

Elet: Alright, thanks Craig.

Three words to describe your practice?

Craig: Of course the final question is, three words to describe your practice?

Sasa: Whoa, so hard question. Maybe there hardest of all of them so far.

Craig: You see right through my plan. That’s exactly why it’s on the end.

Sasa: Wow, it’s … I think [00:24:00] that I already get this question before and it’s always change, because constant progression and everything. I will say first love. Love for movement, love for people, love for everything what Parkour community is doing. Creating so much love inside. I’m here, in between 100 people, I know more than 50 people here, and we [00:24:30] hug every day.

Craig: It’s actually hard to get anywhere around here, you try to … Like you have to leave 10 minutes early, so you can stop for every hug, handshake, laugh, joke. It’s like …

Sasa: Ninja game, all this stuff. It’s love. It’s created a circle of big love between all these people. That’s magic, like that’s, yes, what this discipline did to us. Give you a lot of love, that’s for sure, number one I think, love.

Number [00:25:00] two, discipline.

Craig: That’s a good word.

Sasa: It’s here from beginning. If you discipline yourself first then you can kind of fit in this kind of community. Also, this discipline always can progress and progress and progress.

Craig: Yes, it’s a community of effort. Not a community of accomplishment or specific goals, it’s a community of effort … and that requires discipline.

Sasa: Yes, like for sure discipline is here. To all of us [00:25:30] say here, whatever this discipline is, have a name, it will change or not. It’s not important but it’s going to be always about this discipline for sure.

Third one, I think I will say people, number three. Because it’s all about people, it’s … I’ll actually quote my friend Boki. I get in conversation with him, it was like [00:26:00] he didn’t travel for places, he didn’t travel for obstacles, he didn’t travel for this crazy stuff around. He’d travel to talk.

Craig: To people.

Sasa: To talk to people, to jump with people, to do things with the people. People are key.

Craig: People are unique, right.

Sasa: Yes, well unique in that key of all this, you know. These, all the amazing connections [00:26:30] that he created and all different parts of the world, but we shortly come back for them. Yugoslavia, where we started, and I think it’s going to be good to him there because … on the end, we had this big conflict between all these countries and then what we did, early 2000s, it’s where we connect these two communities, Serbia and Croatia [00:27:00] and all these friends sharing everything between, and Parkour was the link between all these countries who had war between before. Traceurs– Parkour people were the key of this connection, and I hope they will continue all this great work. One of the great things that we did, it’s 2011, it was called first Skochy jam, it was a camping in Serbia that we have [00:27:30] people from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Macedonia for the first time combined ever.

Craig: Wow.

Sasa: That was one of the things that made me the most proud. Organizing with all the friends, until this connection is just stronger and stronger and stronger. I hope that [00:28:00] will continue growing up in this direction. People– because we are just the people. We are not … This is not Serbia, this is not Croatia, la, la, la, there is no religion involved, there is nothing between us, there is no borders. We are people, because this is actually the most magical thing what has happened and this link between, is literally the magic [00:28:30] that combine and connect these people after so many bad things. We’ll end up with this connection because, it’s for me maybe the most important work we did so far.

Craig: Thank you very much Sasa. It’s always a pleasure to talk to you.

Sasa: Thank you man.

Three words to describe your practice?

Craig: And of course, the final question. Three words to describe your practice.

Mat: So, my first word is mindful, and I particularly like this word because [00:27:00] it makes me feel that I’m in the present moment. When I do Parkour, and I practice Parkour, I’m here. I’m now. I’m experiencing life. And to me, it’s the way of how I can live life to its fullest is by being here. And particularly, when I do different skills it heightens that self-awareness of being in the present moment.

Then my second one is being creative. I talked about [00:27:30] a lot of this during the podcast about how I love creativity. I love being a creative being. I love creating things, and so this is very important to me. Every time I practice Parkour, I’m creating something, and I don’t forget that either. Is that I like to see it as I’m a painter, and I’m painting all over with my movements.

Then the third word I have is high. So this is a little different, but [00:28:00] for me, it is a way of feeling. It’s my being when I’m actually practicing. Another word I was gonna use is connected or like connected to the universe. But I feel like high is a more accurate description because before I learned Parkour, I was looking for this highness in other different things. And I found it in other different things.

Craig: Substances. Right.

Mat: When people say, “Oh I like to get high.” They usually mean substances. But when I say I like to get high, [00:28:30] it means I like that feeling of being high, of heightened awareness of reality, of being, of experiencing life. And I get that in Parkour, when I’m moving around a different object, when I’m balancing on something, or if I’m really high up. I’m high.

Craig: Literally and figuratively.

Mat: Yeah. That’s why I love to do it. That’s what I do.

Craig: Well thank you very much Mat. It was a pleasure talking to you today.

Mat: [00:29:00] Thank you.