Transcript for “Chase – with Frank Mejia”

Episode, Chase – with Frank Mejia

00:00.00
Craig
Hello I’m Craig Constantine welcome to the movers mindset podcast where I talk with movement enthusiasts to find out who they are what they do and why they do it. My guest today is Frank Mejia welcome Frank I sometimes make the joke.

00:13.94
Frank
Happy to be here.

00:37.10
Craig
I tell the guests. Yeah, talk about whatever you want I’ll try to keep you in sight and which is actually apropos of today which we’ll get to in a moment. Um, yeah I’m gonna need binoculars. But None off the bat move NY see you listening. You’re going right? because if you go you can totally play tag under Frank’s direction run.

00:32.92
Frank
Shake it.

01:16.50
Craig
Like you’re being chased over to http://themovementcreative.com and click on move and y see so there’s that welcome back frank you were a guest on mover’s mindset in like 2019 if my homework is correct somewhere in the in the 40 s 45 I think it was. Um, and I think it’s interesting that two years later not only are you still doing wct work world chase tag but that it seems like your passion for it has continued to grow and I think it’s always a good sign when people you know, get into something early and then as the thing grows and changes their passion still like. Bits because it I’ve never had happen to me but I’ve heard horror stories of like I fell in love with some activity and then I started doing it and then it changed so I’m thinking that it would be interesting to get your thoughts on. Maybe how? um. World Chase Tech has evolved and especially now that it’s it’s really becoming a global phenomenon like it’s really gone international. We have teams from all over sometimes just wondering what your thoughts are on like the experience having gone there multiple times and just starting to see the thing grow and now we have multiple teams and. Athlete development and teams looking for new people and things like that.

03:24.66
Frank
Yeah, so I Definitely do think it is one of the interesting things to see happen within the par core Slash Ninja Warrior community as it is a thing that a lot of us wouldn’t really anticipate for the community like for more than years to come like. Because you know as well as I do Particleco is still like relatively if now that in in its infancy. It’s still like a toddler so it’s so like trying to figure out how to walk and do all these different things. So seeing these kind of things in terms of professional sport development happen with the sport is just very fascinating to watch and it definitely has changed since.

04:33.64
Craig
Right.

04:43.50
Frank
The None time I ever competed it was just kind of like oh come on out. It will be fun. You’re invited stuff like this the hour where it’s like no we got to qualify got to make sure that dot your eyes cross your ts you have to make sure they’re actually sufficient enough to be able to compete at the threshold that you want to compete in.

05:32.74
Craig
Ah, what? What do people push back on when you try to convince them that playing tag is I mean I think tag is fun but I got to believe that people are a little reticent to like really get in there and mix it up whether or not you have like a formal quad like the the Royal Chase tag course called a quad whether or not you have a formal quad. Um, but just do people push back when you say let’s play tag or is it the kids are in but the adults are out or how does the dynamic work when you try to share that with people.

06:12.40
Frank
So Kids will always love it. The adults will be kind of hit or missed though if it goes into like the series competitive aspect like because there’s a difference when saying let’s play tag now and then let’s play Chase Tag is what we’ve been noticing like with. Both our classes and students as we’ve been doing them to where when you say chase tag they know the format in everything already and they know what’s expected of it while when it comes to playing Tags. Just oh cool just I’ll tap you Oh I got runway Okay have fun. So It’s definitely interesting to see that divergence start to develop like slowly but surely as. More generations of practitioners come into fruition. Um, with that being said, the adults are definitely like just like with parkor hit or Miss Sometimes they’ll like be this is what I’ve always want to do other times. We’ll be like Wow. It’s pretty cool I’m gonna go that way and.

08:08.40
Craig
Nice see you bye.

08:01.84
Frank
Yeah, and then there are always the fun Instagram comments or Youtube comments where it’s like bro. It’s just tag anyone could do that and then you see their Instagram like profile pick is like them on a chair just like drinking beers or something.

08:39.40
Craig
Um, well not anyone can do that sir. Yeah yeah, do you do you find that the way that you’ve trained so you know I’m guessing you can remember. It’s not that far ago that you can remember that before wct. How you used to train how you used to approach you know conditioning like you know there’s the frank before chase and then there’s the Frank after chase and how has your your personal. You know the things that call to you in movement. The kind of training you want to do? How has that changed you know over the over your experience of wct.

09:39.82
Frank
Ooh and that is an interesting one because before I was definitely kind of fit the setting more of like a New York style when it comes to like training parkor where it’s like jumping technical aspects and things like that and I’d always played around with speed. To a certain degree but going into world chase tag. It does a lot more reactiveness and dynamic movement in comparison and just being able to react in a way that you can actually influence the other person because that’s the biggest diverges. You’re no longer just like.

11:00.56
Craig
Um.

10:46.72
Frank
Going against whatever set challenge you created for yourself. You’re going against another individual and you have to try and figure out how to maneuver around them So where you can meet your own goal which is usually either to tag them or to not get tagged so it’s definitely like changed a lot of things of like high perceive. Oh. Could do this to make you faster. Ah, this could be a thing you can do to get like better reactionary skills or this and that because I know remember definitely before I’d focus more on like just big power moves as much as my little body can take so that I can try and meet everyone else where they are.

12:07.84
Craig
It’s an it’s interesting how your perspective shifts when your goal shifts. Um, do you find that the wc T I don’t want to say it’s not threedimenional because it’s clearly threedimensional. But I’m just wondering if you feel like when you’re in the Quad does it really feel like you’re moving in a 3 hree-dimensional space or or do you feel more like I really want to go in this direction and then it’s just a matter of like paror skill solving how to go there because oh it’s up or it’s down or it’s Through. Just trying to get a feel for like what is the experience of trying to move through the quad you know, while accomplishing the goal which is tag or avoid not your goal is not move through the quad per se.

13:17.32
Frank
Um, it definitely feels like it feels like 3 d chess but just at a very rapid pace just because of that other individual and you you will get feedback from them regardless of what they do so then that in turn. Tells you what you have to make as your next decision of like okay they’re idling there. Do I keep going or do I wait and see if they make a mistake or if they’re running away do I tail them outright and try to see if I can catch up or do I step back a little bit to see where their trajectory is. So that way can find a way to just execute and attack straight through. So. It’s definitely like interesting in that regard the way kind of think about it at least in terms of like the differences between like a parkor skills challenge and like Chase tag I would say parkor skill is like. Ah, it’s like doing a jigasaw puzzle while chaseag is like you’re playing chess or checkers with someone and you get that feedback of like what to do next.

15:37.62
Craig
You got maybe a big extra variable throwing out I don’t know what because you don’t know what the other runner’s going to do yeah and said it’s it I’m I’m wondering how much of it is mental like um, what’s the time format.

15:36.28
Frank
Um, exactly it’s kind of like going in blind.

16:14.14
Craig
Ah, is it always the same for a chase or.

16:03.46
Frank
So it is 20 seconds in each chase and there is a None break in between afterwards the goal for the chasers to try and get them before the twenty second sends go for the evader is the opposite to try and not get tagged for 20 seconds

16:48.12
Craig
Run run it out right.

16:41.86
Frank
And then whenever the chase ends that’s when it goes into like the twenty five second break um I’m sorry I kind of forgot your question.

17:08.64
Craig
Well I was I was going to ask about how how the time seems to flow when you’re in the space and then it occurred to me that even I don’t know how long the how long the so like the dashes are the chases are so if you’re if you’re chasing and then. Ah, getting a break and chasing getting a break and you’re sort of like going in and out of the of the chase and it seems to me that you want to be in the flow state when you’re doing the chase because you you have a better chance of of noticing all the details and and being able to find the right solution does it does it get like tiring or annoying to have to take. Breaks or is it is it like the 20 seconds goes by. You have no idea what happened oh now I’m taking a break like I’m just wondering about that going in and out of flows ni kind of flow state out a flow state like as a chaser like is it a different experience when you’re you know what? I know the experience is different but.

18:21.94
Frank
Oh yeah.

18:55.72
Craig
Is the flow state different when you’re chasing versus being chased so that’s a very artificial, not necessarily bad. That’s a very artificial scenario to find yourself in 20 seconds of 100% 25 seconds of well now physical very low, but still 100% mental because I’m trying to review and all these things and I’m just wondering about that dipping in and out of flow state in those.

18:44.50
Frank
Um, yeah.

19:10.20
Frank
Um, oh yeah, so actually that’s 1 thing that I’ve been trying to look into a lot more is how to be able to kind of go in and out of that blue state sufficiently an example is actually last year

19:33.40
Craig
And that staccato-y type of sequence.

19:49.20
Frank
Um, for the second Usa competition I remember I was like doing this whole like it was an hour drive to like get to the venue from like where airbnb was and pretty much thoughtful town was just like blasting all these different like music songs that I had in my catalog that I used specifically. Trying to kind of activate my brain to go into the flow state. So whenever I go into like a training session or anything I would always listen to like these same songs and then from there. What would happen is my brain would get the little flip of the switch and they would be like okay we need to turn on now we have to go fast.

20:58.66
Craig
Um, that’s the q.

21:05.38
Frank
We have to make sure we’re visualizing everything and being able to anticipate everything like it just said it immediately and the scary part was the whole week before that drive down none of the songs worked none of them. They were all just like I was listening to and I was like oh crap.

21:54.90
Craig
Ah I broke it.

21:45.12
Frank
think I think I put myself in a corner. But I think it’s but but I think it was because of like the stress of that whole week was probably affecting it so when I was finally like by myself just driving I had some like time to be clear I was like oh right? Oh wow. Oh wow I know what to do now and ah definitely the 20 seconds when you’re chasing when you’re in that flow state feels like very short like you feel like you are wasting time as the second the buzzer goes off, you’re just like time is gone I need to go now.

23:06.70
Craig
Um.

22:59.28
Frank
And need to finish while when you’re inovator daly feels like it’s been slowed down to like a good degree. So it’s like that exactly because it’s switched and you’re like oh I got always tie oh they’re already here I got to go oh my god far I ran around the quad twice. How long we have still 10 seconds damn it

23:22.38
Craig
Yeah, when you’re the rabbit right? and.

23:41.00
Craig
Um, yeah, yeah, I’m wondering how much effort you put into actually reviewing in detail like your specific chases. Um does that. Like if you’ve done that and then does that um does that action I’m guessing that would make it easier to learn lessons about chasing in the quad but I’m also wondering if you find lessons that you can take out I don’t necessarily mean outside but that you can take out of the structure of Chase. If you find things like oh I see I’m you know making a mistake or I have stutter steps. Are you finding that that Chase is also a magnifying glass for taking lessons outward into your larger parkor practice.

25:03.38
Frank
Oh yeah, I definitely noticed that a lot. A big example is actually my left leg being the one that kind of always does like an extra stutter step whenever I’m trying to redirect is what I notice. Um, it also does help in terms of figuring out like.

25:36.74
Craig
A.

25:39.66
Frank
If I’m doing a movement efficient enough because just like with like doing parkor skills comps and everything like that I am at a disadvantage a little bit just because of my height and stature So I need to be able to figure out what the most efficient method to get from point A to point B is.

26:25.48
Craig
Um.

26:19.16
Frank
With the minimal amount of steps and being able to be ambedextrous is like the was not the biggest game changer but it was definitely like a crucial thing that I worked on to make sure I could do everything on both sides. So when the moment did present itself I could just go Oh okay I can just do that side because I already know how to do it.

27:08.42
Craig
Yeah, ah before we go too far where can people find more about you I’m guessing Instagram is your preferred place but wherever would you like people to go if they want to get in touch with you.

26:54.50
Frank
So definitely helped him lot in that regard.

27:15.38
Frank
Let’s see so definitely go into my Instagram at FRNKMJ four or fun comlisjafer if you want to say it altogether that is my preferred place feel free to dm me I’ll always have them open and what was it.

27:47.52
Craig
Um, nice, nice.

27:50.18
Frank
Kind of have like been in a lull with my Instagram lately where I haven’t like really posted anything but I think after this most recent event that happened a previous weekend. Ah hubbable x I have been kind of like reinspired to try and create content now. So this is the none. Everyone’s hearing of it just now because I made the decision on Tuesday I’m going to try and make a new project I have to.

28:46.78
Craig
Well fortunately have fortunately have about 20 minutes before I publish this so you’re committed. You’re committed now what was it what? what? I mean I’ve never been to hubb bubble hubbbble bubble hubb bubble hubbbble I’ve never been to hubbbble. Oh.

29:00.58
Frank
Hubbable.

29:23.84
Craig
And did you say x has and they done it 10 times now was ah congrats. Oh and that’s plus pause. Yeah I saw an interesting cartoon that was like it’s a zoomed in you know data table and it says.

29:10.74
Frank
Um, yeah, that was the tenth one which was it was it was actually set to happen on in 2020 but then as we all know covid happened. Yeah.

30:02.26
Craig
Every data chart for the rest of forever and there’s like an asterisk after 2019 and then there’s the little cross after 2020 and the double cross after 2021 it’s like every data to hibble for thats forevers and a little like that off on a tangent. Um for hobbable. Um you you may have.

30:01.44
Frank
Um, now.

30:39.68
Craig
Ah, point of saying that it um it shifted you or that something you didn’t say what but something changed your desire or rekindled your passion if I put too much effort too much. Ah, um, accent on it to begin you know, resuming Instagram stuff what? Like. What was it was it. The camaraderie was it. The visuals was it the lack of none time limit. What made you.

31:10.62
Frank
Um I think it was kind of all the above where um, one of the things that they decided to do for this hubbable was they had kind of like films like being premiered here like team fat from London was here so they premiered there.

31:50.80
Craig
M.

31:49.20
Frank
Fan trip then we also had um these love these kids the toasty lizards from Portland Oregon then we also had a whole bunch of other teams like coming through and like giving their team submissions and stuff like videos that they’ve been working on for a while and it made me remember how much I enjoyed. Both consuming and trying to make similar kinds of projects where it’s like they take all this time all this footage they figure out the way to orchestrate it in a way that feels like it’s telling their story in the viewpoint that they want it to be done and that along with just.

32:43.54
Craig
M.

33:03.74
Frank
Seeing all my friends in the East Coast and also some of the west coast just coming together and just jumping was like wow this is truly wild to think about because I always kind of see it from like a perspective like when I first started parkor of like wow I know all these people. And they’re all doing cool and amazing things that I admire so wild never thought 1000000 years I’d be in this position.

33:56.80
Craig
Um, yes yes I am not anywhere new year permit your position but I I’m nodding along vehemently about it’s it’s None thing to see people do spectacular stuff. You know, like all that. No name dropping. So it’s spectacular. You see you know you see these things and you’re like not only do I know where that spot is but I’ve been to that spot I can’t do anything like what that video is doing but I’ve been to that spot I I actually have experienced. You know the None steps that I use to get between those None obstacles that they just did a you know plio across and. There’s something about you know or I’ve talked to that person and whatever everybody their listening experiences. There’s something that makes that stuff extra magical when you know like you you know? oh that’s on the west side and it’s windy or that was and then it was chilly or though that the pain on that that’s anti-clime paint like. All those little details make the media that you’re consuming. It makes it more real for you and it’d be almost impossible for the filmmaker or the photographer to capture those other things. So yeah, there’s definitely. Like a compounding effect of the more that you hang out the more you meet somebody the more you go places the more that stuff comes back as like not to haunt you but comes back as these little I don’t know easter eggs that you find in everything.

36:35.50
Frank
Yeah, like little reminiscent memories of like oh wow, that’s a cool little thing and especially when they give you context of the feats that they’ve performed because you will only see like one angle.

36:58.92
Craig
Now.

37:04.40
Frank
Of the whole feed. Typically if not maybe too if you’re lucky depending on if they have a friend that wants to film another angle. So exactly like if you’re seeing it just from like ah the side view. You’re just like oh cool. That’s a pretty big jump. But then if you look at it at the front in the frontal plane.

37:26.74
Craig
Yeah I get the mouthfe and maybe you’ll landing right.

37:41.56
Frank
You’ll see that it’s actually like angled and like completely far away from like being lined up at all and you’re like whoa. That’s even crazier than I thought.

38:02.36
Craig
Yep, No yeah, cool. Um, So yeah, Chase Tag. Ah,, there’s so much we could talk about about tag and well actually you’re doing I think 3 different sessions at move MIC Four Tag. There’s like an intro to chase tag and then there’s.

38:16.10
Frank
Oh I could go on for hours Honestly might have to do a whole another podcast honestly.

38:46.76
Frank
Yeah, so that so the main 2 are the intro to Chase Tag workshops one is for youth. So it just like can what they drag it is but younger than 16 from what I at least remember and then.

39:01.66
Craig
And there’s another one. What what is tag ticks.

39:22.12
Frank
The adult 1 is 16 plus both of those are just trying to like just going over to like the general skills of like the skills that you would want to use for chaseag because you don’t need a lot you just need essentially like striding plyoing being able to precision some bailing maneuvers faulting. Not even like extensive all it’s honestly just. You could do all of chase tag with just the step bub and your your set until you really need or a q I mean and then from there going over like different approaches of like how do you chase How do you evade and the different like methods you can use. Do you go with the slow approach. Do you go with the fast approach for evading. Do you choose to idle or do you just do a constant motion treat everything like a temporary obstacle and then the final one is tag Tis that one is going to be more kind of like games and theory based where it’s like just us going over like different things of like how to kind of assess an opponent.

40:57.00
Craig
Orbit.

41:12.62
Frank
As Well as like different ways you can kind of like maneuver with them or around them so that we can execute whatever your target is like if you’re if you are currently evading and you see someone trying to chase you trying to just like being able to see what cue points you can for their movements to determine can they go through this thing or what they go over top. Are they able to like go underneath something and just trying to figure out different ways for like stalling them or on the chaser side is like okay you know your opponent is fast. Where can you find cutoff points to either a just be able to like meet their speed and get them or B at least make them stumble. Where you’re keeping pressure on them to where they can’t think because that’s the other thing that olaio don’t realize is when you’re getting chased and the person consistently stays on you. You don’t get time to think really and it’s really hard to think because then you’re like they’re right there they’re right there I need to need to get away I don’t know where to go just I’m already here.

43:18.94
Craig
It’s a reason we call it fight or flight. Yeah brain lights up all right Frank as much as I hate to say it every time I talk to people I think I need to say I think probably and of course the final question 3 words to describe your practice.

43:10.30
Frank
Exactly.

43:37.40
Frank
Um, I do this every time I Only this the one time.

44:02.50
Craig
I I purposely didn’t look up what you answered The first time I don’t check, it’s There’s no right or wrong answers.

44:02.00
Frank
Um, I’ll be honest I was gonna check for then I was like no, let’s just let’s freeball it. Ah.

44:29.46
Craig
Ah.

44:20.80
Frank
I was going to say team Fats Mantra Speed power belief but no, actually yeah, that’s not a bad one I’ll steal it from team Fat Why not speed power belief.

44:55.46
Craig
Cool like I like belief I like I’m scribbling I like when I’m want to go too deep into it but I like when the 3 words is like ooh I kind of didn’t expect one of those words like when 2 like when 2 are like. Yeah, that’s obvious and the none one’s like oh that that makes me think I love you know and I get a lot of answers like that sometimes like an answer is where they always make me think which is just like an embarrassment of riches. Frank I will let you I know you’re getting. You’re getting ready to head back over to the location where the event because you’re doing some setup today. So I will get out of your hair. Thanks for taking the time.

45:58.44
Frank
Um, thank you Craig appreciate it.