Transcript for “Christian Anderson: Exploration, influences, and creating”

Episode, Christian Anderson: Exploration, influences, and creating.

Christian 0:04
You don’t have to tell a kid to play, to jump to climb. There’s a lot of like, innate understanding of movement that I think children have to be completely honest. So you don’t really have to explain to a kid that like, we’re gonna play floors, lava and the like, the imagination is there, you know, and because the imagination is there, that usually facilitates the movement and, and there’s not much thought or even even ego sometimes not much ego or or any reasons for them to not there’s not apprehensiveness because of social constructs.

Craig 0:41
Hello, I’m Craig Constantine. Welcome to the movers mindset podcast, where I talk with movement enthusiast to learn who they are, what they do, and why they do it. This episode is with Christian Andersen exploration, influences and creating Christian Anderson’s unique interests are wide ranging from martial arts and weapons training to Parkour to art to creating his own weapons and training setups. Christian shares his inspirations and process for learning and creating. He discussed his teaching landscape architecture and his specific influences and role models, Christian unpacks his personal martial arts, weapons and movement practices, and how all of them are creatively interconnected. Christian Anderson is a Parkour coach, athlete, teacher, martial artist and movement artist. He created his own Parkour teaching program, pursues weapons training, and is an artist in other mediums including drawing, music videos and bladesmithing. Christian earned his Bachelor’s in landscape architecture at North Carolina a&t University. For more information, go to movers mindset.com/podcast. And as always, thanks for listening. Cristian, thanks so much for inviting me into your home, I go through a ton of effort to like drive and travel. But I’m super mindful of how like, It’s not every day, you want to invite random people with piles of recording equipment into the middle of your kitchen, you know. So I really do appreciate you taking the time. And thank you, I’m really delighted when like, I don’t know, you’re very well, but we had a chance. I was gonna say trained together. But that makes it sound like you were training and I was training and I could even keep you in sight. It was more like I was in the newbie group. And you were leading the group and I had a really great session. It was super fun. Cool. We had the pleasure, I would say that raining on us, like, rain training is kind of rare. And it was just just enough to make things wet and slippery and super fun. But that’s my story. And I’m sticking to it. So when I start so we obviously I do a little bit of like research and I like try to figure out what should we talk about. I never have any idea what everybody else wants to talk about. But when I started like looking at the things you’re doing, I don’t want to say like, oh my God, you’re all over the place. But there were so many things that you’re doing. You’re right. But all over the place is like superficially trying it was like yeah, all right, you’re doing Wing Chun against a dummy, but you built a dummy. And it’s not just like slapped together like the the build video for the dummy is like really thorough. And watching I don’t watch a ton of build videos. But if you watch a build video, you can just check the box for this person is detail oriented and thorough, because, you know, like, it’s hard to build things. But the filament Yeah, oh, the cameras on my plate. So it felt like, oh, it isn’t. So how do I cut it down? So I’m just wondering, you have it looks to me, like you’re having a knack. And we talked a little bit about how you can pick up I’m gonna send your skills by reading about it or seeing it or, or asking someone about it. And do you have you always had that that’s like a superpower if you can just like watch and learn to read and learn. But that’s somebody you know, like showing you’re really clearly to me, that’s a superpower. Do you Have you always had that skill? Or do you remember discovering it? Or when’s the first time somebody went to Dad’s exceptional?

Christian 4:03
Yeah, yeah. I don’t know. That’s, that’s kind of not sure if I’ve truly thought about it like that. Quite. Yeah. I mean, I’ve always been a little bit more like artistically inclined, have, like I said, a draw a lot. So I think that has helped even from like a young age with like being able to visualize things. And I think that being able to exercise your mind’s eye like that can I think help with certain creative endeavors like that? It’s almost similar to like meditation, how sometimes people have a hard time trying to clear their mind or trying to focus on one thing. I think it’s the same way artistically, of being able to visualize what you want or what you’re trying to do. Whether that’s whether that means you’re using images that you’ve already seen, or whether that means you have an image in your mind. I think that’s part of part of where I think that comes from. Yeah, at Just I do think I have an eye for certain things like that, as far as like trying to dive deep into the details of certain things, but I don’t, I can’t really trace a route. I like that makes sense.

Craig 5:13
So a while you were talking about seeing and like having an eye for certain things I’m picturing, like the title. I’m a visual person, like, when I try to recall words or people’s names, I have trouble. The you did a reproduction of it’s not actually a gunfight but of a fight scene from a Western movie. Right, right. And when I looked at when I saw the wet, like, I’m not a Western nut, but I’ve seen a ton of westerns, I’m not sure that I’ve seen that movie. So I’ve always needed the movie.

Christian 5:42
It was The Magnificent Seven, it was the remake of remake magnificent, maybe

Craig 5:46
I didn’t see that. So I’m just wondering, what about that scene? Because, first of all, it’s really cool the way you did it. I’m not going to spoil it. You have just go to the YouTube channel and click on the language Shannon. Yeah, appreciate it. But what what about it like okay, so it’s a big movie, right? It’s like two or three hours long. And there’s tons of movies, and I’m sure you’ve like seen tons of things. But what about that scene? caught your eye? Because then I can only imagine how much work you had to put in to like, it’s basically shot for shot scene. But what was it about the scene that caught your eye? And like, how often does that jump out of you like

Christian 6:19
that? Right? So I’m gonna Marsh like, it’s probably been made clear already. I’m a martial artist. So those types of duel scenes are, like iconic for martial arts movies. And that one in particular, there’s a reason why I really liked that one, because I want to do some other ones related to it. But I’m not sure if you’re familiar with Kurosawa films.

Craig 6:41
Yeah, yes. Seven, seven. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh, yes. So like to have a martial arts.

Christian 6:46
Nice, nice, okay. So it’s a bit of like a, a nod to, like, like the Seven Samurai, knowing when to give up your ego, and understand that you lost, you know, or else it could turn bad for you. So it’s just like, The Seven Samurai was inspiration for the original scene that was in Magnificent Seven. It’s almost like full circle back around to the remake of Magnificent Seven, which is another nightmare. And same, but it’s with a different character. Right. So um, and I thought not to, so it was kind of like a nod to all of that. And it’s something that you can kind of pull off on your own, I’m just I’m throwing one thing as opposed to, I guess sword fighting another person, right. So I can do it independently. But uh, there’s certain attributes of the build up just a cinematography, all of it that I just love across the board, whether it’s samurai films, or Westerns or kung fu movies, or, you know, that type of that the intensity and emotion behind a conflict between just two individuals, two spirits, you know, is it’s really interesting. So

Craig 7:56
I assume you’ve seen my brain just jumped to, and I have all the visuals, and I had to find all the words, my brain just jumped to an old Japanese TV series about the blind Zatoichi I don’t feel I’ve seen we’ve seen all the old designs. I love that character. It’s probably you can find somebody on YouTube, I think I streamed a lot of it off Netflix, but I don’t know that it’s there anymore. And there are some episodes that are hard to get. And, and it’s just basically this. I’m gonna say, a bumbling little guy who’s blind. And in the beginning, I was wondering because this dude really might not really he really is blind. Yeah. And he’s got a walking stick, which is his, which has a sort of, and I forget the Japanese term for there’s a term for a concealed sort. And he just kind of walks around and bumps into, well literally bumps into people and things but bumps into experiences. And just, I never really figured out I don’t think it was implying that he had that there was a main through line or he was just it was just this guy, and he’s a sewer, and he travels around and does his thing. And there’s the scene where you’ll probably remember this one there’s a scene where he’s sleeping like in a flophouse, you know on the Tommy Madsen there’s like nine people in the room and it just laying in there kimono on the floor. And there’s a fly in the room and it’s like lands on him I think it landed on his nose you know, he’s just like he’s making these little noises and without without like the slightest hesitation without a wasted motion he Drew’s draws his sword and cuts the fly in half in the air and puts the sword away and lays back down but everybody else in the room woke up and they were all like like awesome as a commotion all like run around and he’s just like, oh, yeah, I wanted to do was kill the fly. I woke all of you up with my sword like Yeah, and I was actually reminded of trying not to spoil what the video is about on the YouTube channel. But when you I was like it reminded me I made a gesture so he knew what I was referring to. You have to go watch the YouTube video. The concert the concision is that a word the concision of motion. And then after that, I want to watch the I don’t want to say sword flow. not sort of play the sword flow video on the dock. And that was like, Ooh, Oh, there’s a lot of subtlety in there about grip and foot stance. And I can just see that you’re, you’re interested in, like, do something. And then what was that kind of do that better? Can I change it? How can I? How can I, like perfection is achieved when there’s nothing when there’s nothing left to remove? Not when there’s nothing left to add? Is there a, I’m wondering if there’s a place where that what I called the superpower before that, like, you spot it, and then you’re able to like assimilate it. So in that case, that movie, you spot that scene, and then do all the work to make the thing? There are a bunch of ways that that could be, like pretty straightforward. It’s not easy, but it’s straightforward to do what you did with the video, and but I’m wondering, are there are there situations or times where you’ve had that power take you to something surprising, or it’s worked out in a really unusual way.

Christian 10:52
Like, I was just saying, the dummy that was done the first.

Craig 10:56
We don’t mean like a martial artist, my dear wife that

Christian 11:03
the first like half of quarantine, like the first year of 2020, or first half of 2020, I wasn’t even going to make that video, I said that in the first like 15 seconds of the video. And I have a hard like hard time with like getting out of my own way. Sometimes when it comes to creative stuff. So like, we were talking about impostor syndrome before, I’ll create something and then I’ll start to like, second guess myself or like, want to try and make it better instead of just letting it be. And then that video, I shot from beginning to end just the whole process and was talking to the camera the whole time. And I didn’t have a perfect, you know, image in my head and what that was gonna look like in the end, I had a general idea of what I was trying to do. But it turned out, like it’s kind of interesting how, like, when you’re making art or making things you’re like, I kind of want to do this. And then when you do it, it’s like, oh, wow, I did what I was thinking it’s like, like, you would be surprised otherwise. But yeah, I was I was kind of surprised how, not only how well it came out, but how well it was received. So that was kind of, you know, honestly, even now the video I’m getting comments on it’s, it’s semi semi viral, I don’t know what you would consider viral. But a lot of people seemed receptive to it. So that’s one of those types of surprising moments where it’s like, I was like, really close to just not even doing it, you know, and I just kind of let it happen. And it it worked out in a good way. So that’s, that’s one moment in particular, but I’m sure I can think of others as well. To you,

Craig 12:39
how do you I so I have, I don’t I kind of have shiny thing syndrome, you know, like the squirrel, like, chasing the next thing. But more the problem I have is the ideas I have consumed way too many resources or, you know, time being one of them. But that’s not the like this time, and there’s money and there’s raw materials. And to do that I have to drive an hour and a half to get the thing that brings them it’s like how do you figure out I’m guessing that you have the same, like, more ideas than ours? How do you figure out which ideas in you know, in your head, which ideas are going to be like, that’s a thing that I want to do. And like clearly this one, the idea of like making that as a video that’s surprise you. So how do you dial in that sense of prioritizing? Like, should I do this? Or should I do that? Or you know, I could probably work on like, Okay, I’m doing two knife targets. And I’m like, what, you know, could doing three is like, Okay, we’re gonna spend months on this or however long it took. And I’m just wondering, like, how do you decide? No, instead of doing that thing, I’m going to do this thing over here. How do you turn that sense? In as far as like projects? Yeah. How do you how do you like you wake up at 12 ideas? How do you run me through it?

Christian 13:45
Oh, gosh, tell me about it. Yeah, I go through moods. And I think that’s I’ve talked to a friend about this recently, actually, when it comes to like a, like a DD and ADHD and stuff I am, I think clinically diagnosed. I remember when I was younger, I think. But it checks out completely. Yeah, because of the things that I have to deal with now older, so I know how to deal with it. But like, I think that’s one reason why I’m way more excited to do many different things. But I think that helps in a way because I can kind of split my attention to do a couple different things. So to answer, I am in certain moods to do certain things on some days, and then certain moves to do some things on other days. So for example, if I’ve been doing like, pretty heavy Parkour, or something like that, on a certain day, I might think I’m kind of I want to loosen up, I want to trick I want to on a roll on the ground and do some kind of floor work or something like that. I want to I want to climb I want to you know, so it kind of gets to the point where it’s like the variety is the spice of life, you know, so that works in the exact same way when it comes to artistic endeavors. So like, if I’m making a video related to I don’t know, building something I might want to make Something else that’s more just a compilation of movement, you know? So it kind of definitely depends on, I guess, my mood at the time, there are a few, I guess, set things that I know I want to do. Like there are like, I guess high value targets that I want to hit. That’s a good phrase. Yeah. But um, yeah, there are ways that I can, I can like give myself breaks in between, to, to recharge my focus, if that’s the best, good way to describe it. Because if I focus too hard on one thing for a long time, it could be something I genuinely love. But you can kind of get like, creatively drained from it, to be able to step away and then do something else, draw inspiration from it, or, or start a new project there, and then go back. So you can kind of bounce back and forth between the projects. And that is splitting your attention. But in the same way, it kind of can help you recharge,

Craig 15:52
it sounds crazy that you’re you’re getting a significant amount of deep work in on different things. So it’s not like you’re the distracted squirrel. Kind of thing. What do you do? Do you have certain habits or places conceptual or literal that you go to to recharge?

Christian 16:09
Oh, yeah, definitely. The Woods is a big one for me. I honestly started to realize that way more when I got older, maybe, obviously, I’m not like super old yet. But like 25, maybe or mid 20s. Yeah, I genuinely like just wandering off into the woods. I think I honestly think there’s roots to this from my childhood, to be honest. So my, my middle school and my high school were within walking distance. And I used to use a greenway to get there. And honestly, that Greenway was literally a pathway for a lot of things I ended up getting into, whether that was like wanting to get good at like a kind of bushcraft, the type of things or Parkour, or even even my fiance that I’m about to marry, that’s, that was the route that I got to her, you know, so, um, because of that, and it being in the woods, that place kind of has a bit of solace. For me, it’s a bit separate, like, even even if it’s just a small patch of green, having it separated from a lot of the bustle of regular manmade, I guess infrastructure, it gives me a bit of like a recharge. So that was one of the big draws of being like here, honestly, is having some green space green space. So I’m hiking, even if it just means getting to somewhere there where I can kind of disappear into the woods, you know, it brings a certain amount of peace. So definitely, being alone, in and of itself can help me recharge,

Craig 17:39
that’s, that’s where I go. It’s usually I mean, maybe with a book you just read for breathing or some seated meditation is like, yeah, a lot of it is like unplugging from the energy of others, right? Because first of all, congratulations are going to engage. You’re very welcome. The as you were talking about, where you go to recharge, I’m like nodding along, but nobody can see that. I think that it’s there’s there’s wisdom when one demonstrates when you finally figure out, okay, this is how, yeah, this is how I work around the mind is function A this is I work around my discipline. These are the things that set me up these things make me happy. Yeah. So this people ask me, like, you know, I was talking to someone about what I’m driving, I have to drive around all these things. And I’m several states away from where I live. So I had the drive down. And somebody said, Do you like driving? Which is a brilliant question, right? Like, how often would you ask a friend, like, you might say, highlight the area? Or, you know, do you miss home or but but to say, like, do you like flying in planes to somebody who just came across the Pacific or whatever? It was a really good question. And I was like, I haven’t really thought about it that way. I don’t dislike driving, but I realized that what I do like about driving, and I swear, I’m going to ask a question about driving. It’s it’s a way place, right? So, you know, decades ago, I used to get mad, you know, you get like that and then it’s Well, no, I’m not disconnected. But in my little rolling box with my favorite musical mix. I can I mean, I’m paying attention I’m like a death speeder on the highway. I said the cruise control and I’m, I’m interacting, but I get to just be myself and relax. So to me, I like that you’re that you’re able to be intentional about you know, disappearing and that you’ve understood or that you that you’ve I agree with you that you understand where that came from, like here was the seed for that for that attraction to those spaces.

Christian 19:28
Yeah, no, yeah, I agree. Same, like honestly, driving as well. I honestly, I talked to a couple of you about this as well. I hate driving like midday

Craig 19:39
when the sheeple

Christian 19:40
coming out when when there’s like people like yeah, there’s more than enough reasons to be like frustrated by the time I get to where I’m going. But um, nighttime, nighttime driving, especially either, like, if it’s if it’s inner city, like late, late, like,

Craig 19:56
he’ll roll the windows down. Everything’s dead quiet, just like rolling through like your like your invisible or something,

Christian 20:02
or the highway at like, at night, like the highway you can usually get away with being alone with not as late but if you’re in the city, it needs to be like three

Craig 20:12
out of Durham, downtown Durham at like 1130. The other day, I don’t know what day it was, I had dinner with somebody and then as I’m as I’m leaving, I’m just falling in the computer, you know, and to like make a left turn and make your bed I’m like, yes, yes, okay, fine. I’m just following the voice, you know, coming out of the inside of the vehicle with all that with the windows down. And it was surreal. Because at first I didn’t realize that I had driven into this. The part of Durham that I was in had a nightlife not super big, but there were people and they drove into center city, or whatever it was, and it was more like a business district. And you know, half of the traffic lights are just blinking, you know, yellow and red, you figure it out. And it was just like, nothing. Just drive wherever you want. And I had a flashback to that. It was really cool. And I got halfway through it before I realized how cool wasn’t that put the windows down? Yeah, that’s a fun. What’s your what what springs to mind when I say favorite road trip,

Christian 21:01
you know, it’s funny as as like, my fiance we go through while she goes through phases where she wants to do a hike, like, every week, or every weekend rather. And most of the time I ended up the way it works is I sleep on the way there. And then I drive on the way back. So I don’t as much as I like a lot of those trips. I don’t really remember some of them. So I guess I would say some of the favorite trips is the one that I went for, went to Florida with some friends. And that was like a nine hour drive. And the only reason why I say I think I like that as my favorite trip is because it kind of gave me like a level up. Like it was so grueling to just like be in the car and like have to switch and like, like just being in a car for that long. And until it

Craig 21:47
rode loopy. Like, yeah,

Christian 21:50
so like being in the car for that long. And then going back, I think, yeah, I feel like my driving tolerance leveled up somehow just just through that like trial, you know what I mean? So just because it gave me something, I think that would be that in the bank with my friends in Florida.

Craig 22:10
There’s like two kinds of road trips. There’s like, I’m driving somewhere and I’m just so excited about where I’m coming from or where I’m going to and then there’s like the whole, you know, the music’s blast and somebody’s singing off key people are throwing them, you know, Swedish fish around. There’s nothing wrong with describing. Sorry. No, no.

Christian 22:28
So I’m, I’m a bit of a geek, if it’s not already clear by the things that I like, but um, I we go to an anime convention sometimes. And I was leaving with a friend. And there’s like a party like a rave type deal that happens just about every, the Friday and the Saturday of that weekend. And we decided that we’re going to leave and go home. And uh, oh, no, it was actually it was me, me my fiance. So we’re leaving, and we’re going home from Raleigh, driving home, but we’re like, beat tired because it’s like, we just left a whole day, right? Yeah, from a whole day of just like interacting with people and playing and, and then they would just finish dancing and all that stuff. So we’re leaving. And I’m like, getting so tired. Like, like, borderline falling

Craig 23:16
asleep at the wheel. Right? You’re home to the night at Night Driver.

Christian 23:19
Right? Right. And I’m like, I’m telling her I’m like, I’m like getting tired. I need you to help me like slap me away. Yeah, and it got to the point where like, the windows were down. She was yelling at me like actually hitting me. I was like yelling myself just to like gets like some type of energy from it. Like it was like if somebody rode by while

Craig 23:42
we were driving by grandma in a Buick right and she’s dialing nine one yes

Christian 23:45
money rode by while that was happening like she’s like smacking me I’m yelling like shaking the carton just so I can like get some type of you know awakeness so that was really a really funny memory. So that was a funny one to drive back to so yeah.

Craig 24:01
Thanks for sharing I love I love stories stories the best when people tell stories it really you know shows you who they are and their their mannerisms come out and that’s I think it’s one but that’s I haven’t had I don’t think I’ve ever had my wife slapped me. I mean, intentionally driving the car I’ve been hit but never actually asked to be beat.

Christian 24:20
I was like, I need something I have tricks now. So I know how to get through it now like, but during that time I had nothing so it was like please help me

Craig 24:28
it’s definitely the definitely the road hypnosis does it because sometimes I can distinctly remember like our final poll if I’m gonna fall asleep I’m sure the micro sleeps already happening. Now you pull the rest there and you’re like, I’m not tired. Yes, like, what’s wrong with me here on the road and I’m sleepy again.

Christian 24:45
I’ve gotten good at like, what I do now is if I know it’s gonna be a long drive and I get tired, I buy either if I can I try and pack either hot sauce, peppers of some sort like jalapenos. So I can like taste it or eat it. On the way in that usually wakes me up or

Craig 25:01
making me scared. I’m like, Oh my God, that’s not.

Christian 25:06
Or if I need to I pull over and do like a few laps, like running. Yeah, I have

Craig 25:10
been spotted in the rest areas doing burpees or push ups and and it’s particularly funny because the average human and arrest area doesn’t even know what a burpee is literally a label, you know, like you do five, like do five burpees on a curb or something. And they’re just like, what does he do? And what you get back in the car and drive away in his driveway. It’s funny. I know that you recently coach because I mentioned this before, he recently coached at argv. And one of the things about this most recent American rendezvous, which happens in Somerville, just north of Boston. I I’ve been to actually been to all of them. Apparently, that’s a thing now that I’m, I realized I’m wearing the shorts. So did you realize I have shorts? shorts on. But what I was gonna say is some people have asked it because a lot of people like what do you think of Ronnie but not not me, particularly, but you hear the conversations. And I’m wondering what your thoughts are about, I noticed that I try. And I don’t like to say nasty, bad things about the people but without all the foreign coaches there. So I’m like, No, I love all those people. But because it was all people from the States, I kind of felt like there was more. I don’t know, the Americans are like, we all hate each other. But, but like, it’s us against the world kind of thing. And it was just something about all these people like I would have never met you in person, maybe until I come down here. But there were just like, coaches from Boulder, who I don’t want to say they’re not like top tier, but they’re the people that I would never have met, but they had the opportunity and they took the time to come. So I’m just wondering if your what your read on because I’m not asking for inside coach dirt. But like you have a different view because you’re on the coaching staff. I’m wondering what your view of the event was? Because it was almost entirely, you know, I don’t wanna say us, because then it’s like us in them. But people from the States?

Christian 26:53
No, yeah, I thought it was interesting as well, because of that. I also don’t have much to go off of it. Because that was like my first rendezvous, believe it or not. So I’ve had experiences with other coaches, usually the North Carolina batch like Alan. Yeah, it’s it had a different energy, I think, in the sense that it was like we can find, I guess, worth amongst ourselves or like without having to feel like we’re reaching for something exotic, just because of the geography,

Craig 27:23
or that’s what’s expected by the attendees. One exotic in this case, like Sorry, not sorry, you can have exotic this year.

Christian 27:30
Right. So I think that’s yeah, yeah.

Craig 27:33
I really enjoyed it. And I already said, I enjoyed your session was super fun. I hope I didn’t. So you’re talking about impostor syndrome before? Like, oh, I got a million examples of my myself with imposter syndrome. And one of them was, you gave us some really simple balls to do. And of course, obviously, you figure out real quick Oh, you’ve seen this show before, right? So I was doing the progressions on a railing where the drop is into the Charles I found a spot where it was water and not rocks. I’m like, Have I fallen, and I’m only stinky. Okay. And then I kept like, being slow back to the group, because I wouldn’t notice that you had like, called him for the next section. So every time that I realized I was like, odd man out, I’m like, on the asshole. And it’s great that go into like, I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be like, what you’re doing my own thing, but that was where the challenge was sorry. And even Alan got sucked in to like training. And then he wasn’t sure. Like, should I go circle up and listen to the coach? Or should I continue to

Christian 28:22
appreciate it that you you took on the challenge of trying to do it over that side?

Craig 28:26
It wasn’t much of a challenge people listening. It’s like, you know, Craig’s Parkour spirit animal is the tree sloth. So it wasn’t much of a challenge. But it was a challenge for me. Do you say? Like, no turns like a hard right turn from the left lane? Do you find that it’s challenging to teach children? So you teach you’re currently teaching Parkour in under the auspices of a gymnastic center? And I don’t mean that derogatorily I’m just saying, like, people all know how down they know. Yeah. Do you find that kids are easier or harder to cheat? That’s a good question. aim to please.

Christian 28:59
In some ways, yes. They are harder. Just leave it like that. No, in some ways, yes. They’re harder. In some ways. They’re way easier. You don’t have to tell a kid to play to jump the climb. They there’s a lot of like, innate understanding of movement that I think children have to be completely honest. So you don’t really have to explain to a kid that like, we’re gonna play floors, lava and the like, the imagination is there, you know, and because the imagination is there, that usually facilitates the movement and, and there’s not much thought or even even ego sometimes. So not much ego or or any reasons for them to not there’s not apprehensiveness because of social constructs, at least for some of them when they get a little bit older. Adolescents Oh, here we go. Yeah, with that said, movement wise, I think they tend to be like sponges. I was talking to a friend of mine recently, how I was I was going over what I call Webster falls, Webster falls to help kids understand how to do Webster’s, because I feel like web stores are probably the easiest way to learn how to do from like, Be completely honest, other than just a regular punch, right. And, um, I have some of them doing them off tour from a box to a minute, and just falling onto the back. And by the next week, I had some of them already landing him. And some of them already doing them, like from height. So that like, people say it all the time that like kids are sponges. And I think that is 120% true. Even when it comes to like, schoolwork and stuff like that, if it’s brought to them in a certain way, they just suck it up. With that said, there is the attention aspect, that is a huge, huge thing for kids keeping their their focus and keeping their interest and making it exciting, so that they will want to do it. Because if they want to do it, they’ll they’ll truly, like try and truly learn from it. There’s a I’m not sure if this is a new concept or anything like that. But um, whenever you have whenever I have a student that is like super into superheroes or any other type of fantasy realm in any type of way, and I can tell that they’re really into it, I try and tap into that and apply it to the training honestly, because that’s honestly where I think some of my passion came from when I was younger, is wanting to be a ninja wanting to be, uh, you know, just samurai Samurai, you know, anything like that. And as soon as you have like a, an image of what you’re, what you’re trying to be or what you are even what you’re emulating, if you can like, step out of yourself, and be like, I’m this now, like, I’m no longer Christian, I’m, I’m now this lone samurai in the woods, like you, you automatically Don this certain kind of posture. So it works for kids as well. Like, as soon as I see little kids got Spider Man shoes, I call them Spider Man. And for some of them, they light up. It’s like, I’m Spider Man. So I’m telling them that and then as soon as he he knows that he’s Spider Man, he’s doing pliers that are way bigger than he was doing a second ago. You know what I mean? So absolutely, I 120% think kids absorb and apply that spirit, not that adults can’t do that. I think it’s just harder for us to get out of our own ways. When it comes to the spreads. I

Craig 32:24
was thinking that you mentioned that earlier about getting out of your own way. Yes,

Christian 32:28
yeah. So obviously adults can understand the the more technical side of it. I can talk about philosophy.

Craig 32:35
We can plan. Yeah, we can say let’s stop jumping today. So we can jump them right.

Christian 32:39
To plan we can understand application we can understand, like, why conditioning is good. Because I know that’s a that’s a really hard thing for my kids to really like doing is conditioning. And you can you can explain the depth of the discipline with an adult, obviously. So that’s the flip side of the coin that a child may not get. But yeah, I think there’s, there’s there’s obviously good on both sides, but definitely, yeah. What’s

Craig 33:06
the favorite Kurosawa movie? Oh, boy. I don’t have turntables. I just see the you know, the rabbit like oh, that’s a hard one. I don’t know if I can answer that question. I

Christian 33:19
know. That’s a hard one. I have the same birthday, Sam, by the way. Oh, okay. Yeah, I feel special because I don’t know that’s a hard one.

Craig 33:29
People are like who I’m only doing this because it means we get to link to Karasawa movies from the episode because I’m a particular fan of Rush Monday just because I’m also Phil Mudd. So I you know, because we know what it is but like the one sentence description is somebody gets murdered right? It was a travelers traveler family. A couple both of the get murdered or just I think it’s just one of them gets says a murder at like a small shelter on the side of the road called Rossmann gate. And there are four or five witnesses, multiple witnesses, and this story is just them each telling what happened. It’s like the murder mystery witness the same thing because a completely different insults. It’s like the very first outwardly the very first film to explore the subjective nature of memory and also the slimy side of people who you know lie for reasons of their own. But that that’s a great one Seven Samurai is that that’s just like a classic. You have to

Christian 34:31
I was thinking either that one or I think Hidden Fortress. That was that was honestly I think the first one that introduced me to samurais cinema in general was because I was so I would go to the library with my mom and like get a book we’re gonna read a topic and I would go get a book and then I’ll go upstairs like immediately upstairs is where they had all the VHS is and no recordings, music. You could you could rent or you know, yeah, sure. out. Yeah. And a hidden Hidden Fortress was in there in a is that that’s curse all right.

Craig 35:06
I I think so I’m getting my brain yeah no brain is running a million miles an hour because there is my favorite because what I wanted to say next is do you have a favorite samurai film and I have a favorite one but I can’t think of

Christian 35:19
even harder question opens anything further.

Craig 35:22
Main two we’ll start there

Christian 35:26
have you seen so I was gonna almost spat out two at the same time. How to Kitty is one and 13 Assassins 13, assassins 13

Craig 35:36
How to kill you I don’t I don’t recognize the title. The one that I’m thinking about, just do it the hard way until the title comes to me. The shooter Mfume plays an old, he’s actually the I don’t know what the proper title for him is. But his job is to procure all of the weapons for the Shogun. So that’s like his his role within the organization. And there’s a younger, you know, these guys are all seven. Well, they’re, they’re not actually Samurai, they have a master. And they’re there’s like a little bit of a political thing between him and somebody lower down on the food chain, but he’s not ancient, but old to the point of just like, I’m not fighting, like, let’s just do it, like, Let’s just all do our job and get along. And he’s got a wife, who is the only Japanese actress I’ve ever seen actually play a shrew like, you know, like a like, She’s great. She nags I’m constantly and the whole thing is Japanese with English subtitles, of course. And he has I’m going to say like a good for nothing son, who really isn’t a good sword fighter. I mean, everybody’s pretty good, but he’s not good enough to really be in the favor, and then it’s his whole thing. And I’m gonna, I’m gonna spoil it. So if you don’t want to watch the movie, and like, just like, stop listening. So the spoiler is he’s basically no longer really interested in life. He’s just sort of like, not checked out, but just yeah, whatever. And his son who he wishes would accomplish something falls in love with a concubine of the Shogun, who has been kicked out. So she shows up in his house or his son lives with a baby the Shoguns baby. And the whole movie revolves around he is transformed by the love that the couple shares. So his son and the daughter they can’t get the son and the girl they can’t get married. But they care for the baby and his he’d like his heart like reopens to this love that blossoms in his house. And then the Shogun wants the baby back. No, ma’am. Yes, there is a fight scene with a kiddo Chris like ended the house I don’t know how it ends. I’m not gonna do it. I’m not gonna do that. I was about to say fighting in the movie is not the end of the movie, there is an ending that like if it if it doesn’t get you in the fields, then you know, I know it’ll get you in the field because you have other people listening but doesn’t get you in the field. You’re not hooked up, right? And I cannot think it’s I it’s like, it’s like last battle or something. You know, you’re like, huh, and then the whole first half of the movie is like, there’s no action that’s going on here. But the characters are really great. And just to see, like, if people know Munez he tends to play the Japanese guy, you know? And in this one, he’s just sort of like this really calm plain dude and hit it off. Yeah. But the ending it does not involve him killing the Shogun at the end. It has a completely unexpected ending. It’s just so great. I wish I could think of the name of the movie. Yeah.

Christian 38:21
How to dig for that one. Yeah. Well, as soon as you said before that I thought of like Yojimbo to that was another one.

Craig 38:27
Yeah, it was good. It’s not your Jimbo. Yeah, that’s good. which always makes me clutch because a piece of software called Yojimbo. And I have no idea why it’s nothing. Yeah, welcome to Craig’s brain, obviously has ADHD. No. Alright. So halfway through, what about cell phones? I want to make it clear that you are allowed to you don’t have to ask me a question. But you are allowed to like if you’re now wondering about where I get ideas or things like that, you’re also welcome to like, you know, turn the physician heal thyself. What’s something other random questions where other other places, let’s say in the states that are you know, reasonably reachable? Are there is there any places in the states where you would love to go coach, you know, or even go there and training like, whatever, you know,

Christian 39:10
that you have to get to train? Yeah, definitely. Coaching anywhere, to be honest. I just like coaching. But knee jerk response for training is Seattle. Because I did a project or at least I did a case study in undergrad for free a part free report are similar with that.

Craig 39:33
I haven’t been to it. I know what it is. And I’m gonna say have you talked to Colin? I think it’s Colin McDonald. I interviewed hoping I’m getting it right. Because he just went into landscape architect. Yeah.

Christian 39:41
Rob told me and Alan told me about him

Craig 39:44
actually. Now you have three data points.

Christian 39:47
But yeah, the whole park honestly, it was designed by one of my favorite, I guess, designers Lawrence hopper and his whole like, thought process on it and the way it was built and all of it. It’s obviously had albums because of because of the way it was built danger and some crime in the beginning of it but um but no yeah I love I completely love the way it looks and always design and it looks like a dream it’s a mixture of like the hard angles and modern kind of look along with trees and greenery all that type of deal so I love the

Craig 40:22
look and potential for

Christian 40:24
falls. Yeah, potential. Yeah,

Craig 40:26
the Parker people like look at all these beautiful jumps and climbs in a sense. Yeah. Meanwhile, the the like yellow tape right here, a special scissors for that. What? I don’t mean this like in a negative, incredulous way. But what was the inspiration that led you into landscape architecture as

Christian 40:47
so. And it’s kind of interesting because you only connect dots looking back when you that rather than looking forward. Right. So I’ll preface this by saying that my my mother is a gardener. And it’s funny, because for a long, longest time, she’s a pretty avid gardener. For the longest time, I wasn’t really interested in gardener.

Craig 41:05
So as my wife, she goes, Hey, look at this plant, and I just go food in my head like a dog because it’s the only plants I carry in the sugar. No, these are poisonous.

Christian 41:15
Oh, no. But um, yeah. So because she’s so was so avid and gardening, I think, again, that planted the seed. I wasn’t, I wasn’t the one that was like, always out there with her. But I occasionally joined her. So I understood the need for it, along with so I knew that it was putting food on the table one and understood, just the nature of being able to work the land is is a good, you know, attribute to have. But going into school, I wanted to go into engineering, actually, I wanted to make stuff. So I went in for electrical engineering. And I was like, I’m not sure if this is exactly what I wanted to do. Like, I thought I was just gonna be making things. Obviously, that’s what engineering is. But it’s a lot more than that.

Craig 41:58
Right? He’s on design and like trying to Yeah,

Christian 42:01
so like, I was like, I’m not sure if this is what I want to do. I was like, Okay, maybe this isn’t what I want to do. And I was like, I’ll switch pivot. And I was like, I’ll go to earth science, it was like, because as much as I was like, I want to make stuff. I was very much like, I loved environmental science when I was in high school took it twice because I had a great teacher. So I was super into the idea of Earth Science, environmental science, that type of deal. So I switched the earth science. And when I went to the department, the Agriculture Department to switch there was like a plans and sections, drawings on the wall. And I was like, I don’t know what that is. But I do that, but I want that. Yeah. So it was a mixture, what I really was looking for was a design major. So I ended up finding out that that was landscape architecture is a mixture of both of what I was kind of looking for the design creation aspect, along with the earth, and integration, integration architecture, you know, so a little bit of the technical along with artistic and being from what I realized when I joined the majors that landscape architecture is so like, holistic with their approach that is like almost perfect for someone trying to like pull, you know, information from several different sources. So yeah, as soon as I went in first, I was gonna go in to do earth science or geography, geology. And as soon as I went in there and saw that I was like, that’s why I switched to landscape architecture. So yeah, switch there immediately, was probably the best choices that I made while I was in school.

Craig 43:33
I note that that story is powered by exploration. Yes. Like my sensing this all the way through. Do you remember Are there any figures? Obviously your your mother was one but any figures that jumped out to you that you’ve worked? Maybe they were the inspiration for your sense of exploration or like, you know, are there any people that you point to and say, yeah, that person used to do this and everybody thought it was weird but that led me to do the things that I do now or No, no, I think we just the wind

Christian 44:06
not anybody in particular No? Yeah, I think I’ve always just been curious like that

Craig 44:13
I need to interview your mom

Christian 44:16
yeah, she so that’s it yeah, you’re very right because she one thing that my mom I think I’ve realized and I love her to death because of it especially now she was more than welcoming till just a different things that I was like into it even when it got to Parkour she was like, terrifies the crap out of me but like,

Craig 44:35
here are some shoes Stop sending me videos yet staying water train

Christian 44:39
with the person you know, don’t get hurt that type of deal. So she always kind of liked helped facilitate my endeavors, my exploration. So I would so in a sense yeah, her she she has at least helped helped me cultivate it by by not cutting it down.

Craig 44:56
Yeah, not not pushing against it or writing the brakes. Yeah, yeah,

Christian 44:59
but Anybody else in particular? I don’t, I don’t think so I think I’ll just kind of draw from, from anybody, whether it’s movement or anything. So for example, and this is kind of weird and abstract, but like, my brother, for example, was a football player. And I decided I wanted to get into football because he played football, and didn’t realize that I like really didn’t like football.

Craig 45:25
Like getting hit in the head. So that’s the funny

Christian 45:27
thing is I liked the training. I liked the camaraderie, I liked the intense training that had been four or four games, the practice, basically, yeah, and I liked the, like the rallying kind of battle cry that happened before the game, but I didn’t really care for the game. So I liked, you know, the intensity of everything. And it kind of helped me realize what I was really, truly looking for, in a practice in a way, which kind of, in some ways, you could say it’s parallel to what happens at like, gatherings like rendezvous and stuff like that. So So him, me, following Him helped me find something else as well. Or even like, my, my uncle is like a very, like handyman. So like, he stayed, he was in was in jail for a good amount of time for a portion of his life. But when he got out, he lived with us. And because he lived with us, he was like, doing everything around the house just to like, repay my mom. So he was like mowing the lawn, fixing the shed, fixing the drywall, like everything that needed to be done, he would do it. And I think that gave me another eye for like building and wanting to be that like creating and maintaining, whether it’s the earth or house. So like him, I have pretty fond memories of him, like cutting wood to to fix our shed. And that type of stuff, I think sticks out and its own kind of way. So yeah, so in a weird way, drawing from every little experience without even really realizing it. But it’s

Craig 46:59
they’re sponges, kids are sponges. The images that you’re that you’re painting there remind me of the so in in the French, they would say be strong to be useful. They say it in French, but then English, it’s be strong to be useful. And that’s it’s like his, his activities, were sort of demonstrating that. And I don’t know whether he actually ever said it or even it was even thinking like I owe a debt or you know, I feel compelled. But once you once anyone, once you get bitten by the bug of like, don’t just be strong, but be strong to be useful. Or you know, whatever the verbiage is in your head have a code of honor. And once you get that bug, it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. It’s like that pumps you in an upward spiral sort of way. And I’m just wondering, you probably don’t remember ever not being that way. You’re probably like all memories are related to this is interesting. I’m going to draw from that. This is interesting to draw from that.

Christian 47:53
Yeah, ya know, like so I definitely resonate with that. That saying, I don’t know how far back well, maybe maybe as soon as I heard it, I resonated with me on this but no, absolutely resonate with the idea of being shown to be useful. And that probably probably like resonates with even my mom gardening. You know what I mean? Like something simple as that, you know? So

Craig 48:19
it’s the rabbit just arrived. Oh, yeah. So often this podcast is powered by coffee and or dogs today is powered by rabbits. The rabbit is I’ve never met a friendly rabbit before. So the Rabbit came out of the touch came across the floor and without me realizing it started playing with my ankle. Do you have any make me think a mantra so like, I have a wristband? Do you have any, like go to phrases or visualizations or practices like so you know, in case of emergency break glass, you know? So I go to this and I know, I know, you go outside, you go for walks. But like do you have? Do you have things that are tattooed? Or do you have posters are like what do you use visual reminders? Oh, yeah. as well.

Christian 48:57
I have a have a vision board in my, my kind of office computer area and have some posters in there. Not Not a ton I have I used to have way more. We just were kind of new house owners. So we’ve been here for like maybe a year and a half.

Craig 49:16
Congratulations a second time.

Christian 49:18
Thank you. But definitely I am. I think imagery and having some type of, I guess vision of things. Like that’s kind of not to get off off topic. Right, right. Similar to what I was talking about before with the ideas of children and having a superhero or something to focus on. The way I like to describe it as like a totem. I don’t know if that’s a good word to use, but kind of like a image effigy you kind of have a what you hope to embody in some ways or hope to Yeah, in body. So I have I have a vision board and That’s just a like a collage of of images and quotes and things that I hope to continue to get better at. Some of them are related to design, some of them are related to training, some of them are related to just like, you know, just personal growth and development. Yeah, relationships. Yeah. And then, as far as posters, I try to, like rotate them out sometimes. So for for example, right now I have, like I said, a vision board. And then I have two posters, or two pictures once a once a picture frame and one’s like a foam core poster on both sides of where I have my sorts, hung hung up, and one is Leonardo, the ninja turtle. And but it’s done in like a kind of old, like Japanese artwork kind of way, right. So it’s not just like a regular comic picture. But it’s like, it’s depicting him almost like in futile like kind of feudal Japan kind of like the way it would be done on a, you know, any other type of scrolling or woodblock or some parchment or something like that. So Leonardo, and then on the other side is another character named Yoshimitsu, from a game taken. So both of them use swords, both of them are fictional. But um, Leonardo obviously is like a leader. And he’s constantly trying to be better, but at the same time, he’s a bit like self deprecating about some of the things that you can do. And, you know, there’s a, there’s, there’s work to be done there to become what he hopes to be right. But he is still very much a leader in a sense. And then Yoshimitsu is another he’s a fighter. But one reason why he’s up there is because it was it was given to me by my fiance, but it has the kanji for meditation on it. And his character, actually, whenever he’s hurt, he meditates and he can regain his health. So he’s in that position on the poster, and has the kanji meditation on it. But um, aside from that, his his movement is is an inspiration for me for like tricking and flow work and stuff like that. So I definitely try to put images. Yeah, in front of me, to help me focus, if that makes sense, or at least having an idea or a general direction of what I hope to embody. But yeah, sometimes I switch them out, for example, like, before we came here, I had a, I had posters from movies. Like I actually had Zatoichi. Is that a witchy? poster? A Bob Marley poster. And Tyler Durden from Fight Club. So that’s like a weird like, mix of like, peaceful and, you know, a pacifist, and yeah, borderline. Passive is right. And dirt and it’s kind of like borderline anarchist, you know, and then you got

Craig 52:53
borderline. And then you have the insane

Christian 52:57
Zatoichi who’s like, you know, a wandering? Yes. swordsman. So it’s kind of like, images of, of where I’m at maybe? Or, or what qualities of a person or of a thing that I like that I hope to take along the way. So

Craig 53:14
nice. Thank you for sharing, I am always fascinated up what I don’t need is any like, I’m not collecting, I don’t need new set up this thing. No, I don’t need new processes. But I always find it interesting to see which people are attracted to or which people motivate themselves with, like, through visual talismans are who people who do it by expression, you know, I just I have to go dance or like, you know, there’s different things that they do. Just, it’s just interesting to learn about how other people are inspired and motivated. Was there anything? This is the laziest question in the world, anything you were thinking of? Leading up today? You’re like, Well, I hope I get to talk about and no is a legit answer.

Christian 53:57
Actually, kind of, because I wasn’t sure what was gonna happen before. But um, like, the ability to create a space for yourself, whatever that means for you. I have a lot of people that like, ask me questions on social media and stuff like that, because they see where I train and they’re like, where are you at? What do you like? What is that you have like three targets. What do you like, where’s Can I come? Where’s, you know, again? Yeah, some of it’s like inner sanctum, you gotta be, gotta be cool. Build your own space. So but like, the reason why I bring that up is because I try to integrate, integrate a lot of my training into my life, or at least in a way that it’s, it’s something that I run into, that I can then continue to, to use. So for example, I have in my office space, I have a ring hanging from a string, and that’s used for anything. It’s a pendulum. I can I can use it for empty hand. movements or I can I can, what I’ve been using it recently is for thrusting, practice your practice, yeah, being able to thrust into the ring without missing or doing it while it’s moving. And, you know, hand eye coordination, or like even the dummy, or even further back into, like, my space, I have another little have like palettes and stuff like that for Parkour and targets for knife throwing. And, you know, so I feel like, one thing I, I was thinking about coming into this is, is hoping to inspire someone to start to create their space. And it doesn’t have to be a space for like, combat or something like that. It doesn’t have to be a danger. Like I tried to make danger zone. Yeah, it can be your own sanctuary, you know, whatever that means for you. So I think that was one of the things that I was thinking about coming into here is is,

Craig 55:50
had you ever before you started doing that? Had you seen somebody else make a space? Like Did your mom do that? Or maybe you’ve envisioned her garden as her space? I’m just wondering, yeah,

Christian 55:59
my that, that definitely gardening is definitely one of her, I guess releases? I’m not sure if I would see her garden as her space. Actually, yeah, seeing her outside is kind of like, yeah, that makes sense that she looks at home, you know, I don’t think there’s anywhere in particular that really, you know, strikes me, there are a few instances. I his name, his name is, uh, I can’t quite think of his name at the time. But um, there was a guy, he actually did a TED talk on what he called guerilla gardening. And his idea of gardening, wherever there’s green space, despite what city planning has to say about it, basically,

Craig 56:39
I plant seeds you don’t notice next week, hey, right.

Christian 56:42
It’s just like underutilized space. So that and then there have been cases where during my exploration, I’ve run into like, places where skaters have like, carved out a little section in this like alcove in the back that that is like, designed for skating. Like they they’ve used like, rammed a designer for skating run, yeah, like random pieces of concrete, or like bars and kind of like, molded this little haven for themselves. So there are instances like that, where I see that, and I think that’s probably been processed, subconsciously. But I’ve continued to do that. Like, even before I had, we had this this place, I was wandering into the woods near me, and making a little den for myself, whether it’s for training or for meditation, and stuff like that. So there’s at least, like maybe three other spots in North Carolina in the woods and undisclosed locations that Christian has, like, made a little nesting spot out of, you know, and just whether it’s for training or whether it’s for, you know, my own peace of mind. So, yeah, that type of deal. Cool.

Craig 57:55
What’s

Christian 57:55
it that’s not random enough?

Craig 57:59
This whole project is random. What,

Christian 58:02
are you gonna come up with words for this one? This one feels all over the place.

Craig 58:05
Oh, that’s not my problem. Oh, yeah. Nope, people for that? No, I tried to think the, the as the first rule of like, baking is don’t like yes, I try not to think about what it’s going to be when it’s done. Because then it’s just like too many layers of thinking and just like letting let it happen. Yeah, you sell the pieces on the chessboard, and you make the thing go blue. And they all just like the fight happens. What do you think, if trying to imagine like most people would have been exposed to, you know, some least some samurai lore? Is there a martial art? It doesn’t, doesn’t have to be one that you? Because what I’m thinking is, you’re probably going to say, I don’t know shit about that. But an art that you’ve at least learned a little bit about. That Do you think most people wouldn’t have heard about or that you know, would deserve to

Christian 58:52
be heard about or a martial art per se?

Craig 58:55
It could be a weapon art, like, like, the one thing I think of is, I think the thing that you throw in the movie reproduction. Was it a knife? Or was it a rod? Because in the in the

Christian 59:06
Yeah, it was a spike. So like, Yeah,

Craig 59:08
I’m like, wait, Spike throwing strikes me as being a different template that what I’m thinking is okay, if you’ve been sponging up this much different stuff that there may be like, there are long bows standing in the corner over here. There may be an art and like, if you will have probably seen you know, archery, but maybe if you haven’t seen archery, what rock are you? But I’m just running through some art that you’re thinking of that you have seen that you really drew inspiration from maybe other people hadn’t heard or seen or seen? That’s not an easy question. I know. I’m like, nice in the beginning. And then like in the in the third third. I’m just like, Alright, you guys are going.

Christian 59:42
Like, no, yeah, it’s okay. So this isn’t that, I guess, foreign to people. I guess a relative sense like typically, but like Ninjutsu. Like I said before, I’ve drew inspiration from that type of history and lore. You But the actual historical side of it, I feel like it’s still very elusive to a lot of people. So I have a lot of books and study a lot on my own just to try and understand it because it’s one of those things that’s been so shrouded in mystery, and and history. So dirt and shadow, you know, that has been covered in that you can’t quite entirely understand the whole image of it. So I would say that is one art that despite what people think, I think a lot of people don’t know about. They might think they know like ninjas throwing stars and assassinating people, but like, it’s not all you and that, in fact, that probably wasn’t largely what it was about in a lot of that, I think is, yeah, some people I feel like a lot of people don’t realize that or know that. Yeah, weapons, or any other tool. I love, like shuriken, or things that are being thrown. There. So there’s, there’s such a huge palette of shapes and sizes and stuff like that, that, um, I think many people think of shuriken as just a knife or just a star, right. So things like spikes, something as simple as, like a hairpin that was a hairpin, technically, like, but though things like that are kind of you wouldn’t think of them as something that can be weaponized. Like I’ve done a video with chopsticks. Like that’s something that’s something pretty simple, or even like, this isn’t a fork, but he’s spoon or a spoon or a fork or things like that. The idea or the philosophy? In my opinion, for sure. It can trick and tutus, it’s, it’s for anything like, like this phone, my phone at you like anything, right? Yeah, if I throw anything at you hard enough, and it’s got some weight, it can, it can facilitate what I needed to do, whether that’s mean to close the distance or get away. So I think that’s another one that people don’t quite completely understand. Or, you know,

Craig 1:01:59
let’s see what else springs to mind. I love that you’re actually kind of aware of your superpower, like the sponge thing, because a lot of people really haven’t given thought to what they’re good at and what they’re not good at. I think a lot of people haven’t given thought, let’s just go fishing for really random things. If I give you if I could, if I could give you a plane ticket to anywhere in the world, not necessarily for Parkour or for just for any reason whatsoever, where would you want to go? And why would you want to go there?

Christian 1:02:27
Anywhere in the world? So again, my knee jerk reaction is to say Japan, because of all that before, right? So yeah, probably, probably probably Japan there. But that’s the funny thing is there’s a lot of other places that you want to go to. Is it cheating? If I say those two

Craig 1:02:46
questions just aimed at like, you know, you’re clearly very organized. And you’re very particular about picking and choosing what you do. Which means you would also have a lot of things that you’ve chosen not to do. So like there’s no real reason except maybe pandemic at the moment. There’s no real reason that you can’t just go to Japan because, again, Visa the US citizens Off we go. So clearly, you’ve chosen not to go to Japan, I’m not asking why it’s pretty clear answer, especially for the last few years. So that’s why but just saying where would you want to go with a plane ticket just gets you to like, show me some of the things that you’ve decided against.

Christian 1:03:18
Okay, so Okay, so Japan has won, not only just because of martial arts, but because of a lot of the the artistry that their culture has to offer. There’s parts of eastern Africa that I want to go to. Apparently, I have lineage from there, my mom did a genealogy thing. And aside from that, I’ve wanted to explore a lot of their food. And they’re throwing weapons. Obviously, it’s I know, it sounds great. Martial arts is a lot of the reason why I’ve explored a lot of things. But yeah, that’s another one. Brazil, for, again, martial arts and culture, usually. And okay, so this is kind of, like a pattern here. Yeah. So martial arts is like, I feel like because it’s such a, like, a thing that’s ubiquitous, you know, through society, every culture has fought each other. Right? Right. Because of that, you kind of get a certain amount of that culture even from the martial art. Like even though it’s just about fighting for a lot of these arts, you still get a lot of the spirit of a culture

Craig 1:04:17
from art has societal trappings on it. Yeah. So

Christian 1:04:21
So for example, like I just said, Japan and Samurai and Ninja, you know, those type of things. And then for Brazil, capita, right and stuff like that. I’ve wanted to dabble in that in its connections to Africa and then Africa, and all the other things that don’t probably don’t get as much publicity. I’ve wanted to dive into that as well. But largely all those are if not for sightseeing, martial arts and if not for martial arts, you know, culture, food culture, food

Craig 1:04:56
hybrid. Yeah. Have you ever tried throwing food I mean, like like other any foods that you could actually throw and they would be?

Christian 1:05:02
I think if you threw some fruit some fruit would pretty be pretty devastating. Yeah.

Craig 1:05:06
Bag of Apple. Yeah, I’m going to hear a thump.

Christian 1:05:10
Like, are you familiar with jackfruit?

Craig 1:05:13
Oh god, that’s a great one that’s a softball was spikes.

Christian 1:05:17
Normal jackfruit and a couple other.

Craig 1:05:21
I would just like to point out that I think if I asked most people that question they just look at me like I was weird where you’re like all Yeah, I guess one Appalachia, I have one right here. More elucidation? What about I think there’s some of the thing. Movies we could probably do all day. We haven’t actually mentioned any specific books are there any, let’s say that somebody is interested in taking up throwing throwing stars throwing knives, are there any good resources where people could start to dig into that further,

Christian 1:05:50
like books or books

Craig 1:05:52
that were like, I don’t know diddly squat about that whole art. So maybe books aren’t the place to start, maybe the place to start is with a series of YouTube videos, or go look up a person or

Christian 1:05:59
there are a ton of like, tutorials on YouTube. If you’re trying to throw like knives, or even even like shuriken some of different sizes. So I’m sure you could easily scour YouTube to find anybody. I’ve thought about making one myself because I’ve had people ask me, but aside from that, like I think there’s a what’s it called Japanese throwing weapons, there’s a book called Japanese throwing weapons. And it goes over like the different terminology, and the shapes and typical sizes, and the nature of it and the art that used it. And it’s pretty, it’s a pretty good book to start off. If you’re really trying to get into like a, like Japanese shuriken. Like, understanding that, that side of shuriken it’s a pretty simple look, it comes with like a DVD to it kind of explains a few things. Yeah.

Craig 1:06:53
doubles as a thrilling.

Christian 1:06:57
But that’s a good one. And then yeah, there’s a there’s a few other resources online, that you can can look up, it kind of depends on which I think what you’re looking for out of it. But I would always start with something simple, like a basic tutorial on how like haspin like spending a knife is pretty not sure if you said you’re not familiar, right? Yeah, my so I usually teach people whenever I’m showing them how to throw with either what you call a bow shuriken, which is a spike, or a knife. And towards something that could be seen as a knife, right? Usually with knife throwing, teach throwing from the blade, because it’s usually a little bit easier to teach rotational, as opposed to what we call no spin or anti spin. Takes a little bit more time. And then the Bowsher again, is a little bit more of a it’s it is no spin, but it’s a little bit more of a brushing motion more than it is a like a as if you’re throwing something. So I usually teach either one of those because I think it translates to helping you understand techniques later on. Yeah. So I would if you wanted to start somewhere, that’s where I would say start haspin. And with Bowsher again, or spikes. Yeah, I felt like I got off. Nice off topic saying.

Craig 1:08:19
No. Yeah, the hodgepodge of conversations is trying to figure out how much I want to try and steer, which is as little as possible to let people go, but there’s less on the other side. That gets a little weird. I’m just like talking and you just keep looking at. Yep, as we get paid the big bucks. Not sorry, I think I will just set like an hour and 20 minutes, I think I’ll just say and of course the final question, three words to describe your practice.

Christian 1:08:45
He said this was coming and I’m still not ready. Maybe insatiable balance and exploration. That might be that might be the word, insatiable. I’ll say it again. So I can see how they taste. insatiable. Balance and exploration. Yeah,

Craig 1:09:13
I sounds I’m terrific. Those are three really good words. And I would really agree i i might have actually picked unsatiable if I had been asked to pick three words for you, those are really good. And I think they do reflect the way you think about things the way you approach life. So yeah, thanks so much for taking the time. It’s my pleasure. Appreciate it.