Transcript for “Dani Almeyda and Tim Anderson: Original Strength, mission, and synergy”

Episode: Dani Almeyda and Tim Anderson: Original Strength, mission, and synergy

Dani 0:05
Our whole goal has always just been to get people to move, like to move and to get back to the very basics and the foundations and at the heart of that is always been that we wanted people to feel the hope that movement can bring into our life and to understand that moving heals the body. And so you know, kind of coming into all that I think that sometimes people get stuck in that fitness lens of needing a workout and thinking it needs to be complicated and, and things like that. And so when you look at learning new things, they’re thinking they’re just coming in to learn a couple of exercises to do XYZ. And it’s really it’s it’s a way of life is what we’re trying to kind of coach people through in a way to see people we’re trying to coach, coaches or professionals how to see the body and how to help other people see their own bodies, I guess.

Tim 0:56
But we also try to establish the conditions like so if you walk into our studio on the wall, it says I am awesomely and wonderfully made. Like that’s the message we want people to get when they come in to learn about themselves.

Craig 1:09
Hello, I’m Craig Constantine. Welcome to the movers mindset podcast, where I talk with movement enthusiast to learn who they are, what they do, and why they do it. This episode is with Danny almeyda And Tim Anderson, original strength, mission and synergy. Peanut butter and chocolate perfectly describes Danny Almeida and Tim Anderson’s working relationship, and why they’ve successfully built a business together. Danny and Tim are the CO creators of the original strength system and the original strength Institute. They discuss original strength, of course, but also what it takes to work with someone for 10 years, and why they remain passionate about their work. Danny unpacks her work with the women’s movement collaborative, and Tim shares his process and influences. They explain their beginnings as original strength, how they’ve grown, and what motivates each of them personally. Tim Anderson is an experienced fitness professional writer, speaker and former firefighter with more than 20 years experience as a personal trainer. In addition to fitness. He has authored and co authored several books. Tim’s methodology is centered on one key principle, we are meant to feel good and be strong throughout our lives. Danielle almeyda is a fitness professional with more than a decade of experience in the industry. She’s also the founder of the women’s movement collaborative, Danny’s passion lies in helping people reclaim their movement and their hope. For more information, go to movers mindset.com/podcast And this is also one of our slightly more rare these days long form conversations and with more than one guest and frankly, if these two people don’t make you want to leap up from your chair or run outside and get active I don’t think you’re hooked up right. Thanks for listening. So I cheat I have somebody that helps me and like does a little like a dossier and we actually trade you guys like little Pokemon cards should we talk to this person on with that person because there’s only so many hours and I can only go so many places. And when I started reading about you guys and what you’ve done I was like oh my goodness, I don’t think an hour and a half is gonna be enough because you have you have your he has your personal backstory you have your personal everybody has that if your personal fitness journey you have the program that you’ve co created, you have your gym, I when I read firefight, I was like Okay, so one of the things that I asked you before we started recording was about in my mind, I think of it as like Sorry, this is a romantic term, but the meet cute where you first realize that together you can make something bigger, right? And I’m wondering about what it is in your personalities that clicks because clearly there’s something that clicks about your ability to work together. And I don’t know if it’s maybe one of you has no pun intended one of you has one strength one of you has a different strength or if it’s the way your personalities work or like what is it you think that makes you guys a good team when it comes to programming, you know, like, like fitness programming and creating projects and talk me through some of that.

Tim 4:20
I think there’s your turn to start there.

Dani 4:23
Yeah, I was immediately thinking rocket fuel i And so actually, I funny, we had done a StrengthsFinder I guess it was like a challenge or I don’t know what it was Strengths Finder, test assessment assessment, that’s what’s called and you know, we both kind of went through some of these pieces and it really pointed out to us kind of what some of our strengths were and and things like that and in Tim is really great at finishing and executing and he’s got he’s very very responsible and I am not but

Craig 4:55
but are stepping

Dani 4:59
up But what I’m really good at is getting started and getting people excited and getting going with things. And so that is like one layer kind of, of something that has been really, really helpful for us is that if I start something, he can finish it, the closer he is the closer, you know. And from that, from that level, there’s also things that he starts, right, he sees like a visionary thing, something really exciting that he wants to do. And then I can kind of help put it into action. And then once again, then he finishes it because I get a little distracted and things. But I’d say that honestly, that that is one layer of what has kind of made us work really well. And in the strengths finders test or assessment. That is what they call rocket fuel. So and there’s like a whole book about that. And so we have like these two capabilities. Now, I don’t personally think that we fit into a mold. You know, like there’s, there’s all these, like certain categories like, you know, your Enneagram tests and your Strength Finders test all these things, I don’t think that there’s like a perfect fit for everything, necessarily. But I would say that that definitely has helped kind of help us identify at least what does work and where we can utilize some of our strengths and things like that. I don’t know if I answered your question,

Craig 6:12
but I’m just wondering.

Tim 6:14
So well, string finders and rocket fuel are two totally different things integrator and vicious. Yeah, that’s true. But I see where you’re going with that, honestly. So I wrote this. I’m loyal. And I have a huge sense of responsibility. So I wrote this book called Becoming bulletproof. And she made me a sweatshirt that had becoming bulletproof on it. And it was nice. She was nice to me. And so somehow that indentured me to her,

Craig 6:42
we want to laugh, but that’s rare.

Tim 6:43
Like people are nice. She was nice to me. And and I know, then I felt responsible for her and everything else she wanted to do from then on out. It was weird. But she was nice to me. So

Craig 6:54
because you might wonder, maybe you didn’t even notice why the heck are we starting here because one of the things that I’m super interested in is people have, so everything that’s ever been created that like it’s all comes from somebody’s mind, and it has to be created twice, you have to make it in your mind. And then somebody, hopefully the same person has to make it in reality. And a lot of people who get the passion for for movement, or fitness or whatever the particular path is they’re on. They always have dreams of Alright, if I’m passionate about this, how can I make it be a thing, which also enables me to make a living or you know, whatever level they feel they need to survive at? And I don’t know, but it sure looks like you guys have cracked the nut of being able to have an idea and bring it out into the world. And what I was interested when I’m asking these questions about how do you work together, what made you want to work together? Is it’s a completely different animal to try and have an idea when you have two minds. And I’m wondering, so here comes an actual question I learned about the rambling. Do you think that the ideas are coming from like the two of you together have an idea which we then take to the world? Or do you feel more like you each have an idea, and then it just kind of turns out that they actually don’t know if you guys are old enough to the peanut butter and chocolate thing in the supermarket? Do you put the peanut butter and chocolate together? Do I need to unpack that?

Tim 8:14
Yeah, she’s young. Oh, she’s like, do

Craig 8:16
you know? For people listening going? Oh, you almost had a question Craig, stop talking about the peanut butter and chocolate thing is a stupid TV commercial for about two people walking to I think it was actually a woman and a man. And the one guy in the supermarket one woman’s eating a chocolate bar. And he’s got like a jar of peanut butter. And when they around the corner of the market, they have they bumped into each other and somehow that’s right. You got your peanut butter in my chocolate? No, you guys are chocolate. All right. So back to the I actually have the question in my head. If you do you think that you wind up having separate ideas, which turns out I’m recording just turn out that they work well together? And then that lets you create something in the world? Or do you feel more like the ideas come from one of you? And then the other one like, well, how does that play together? Because if it has to first be created in the mind, scene, this is the only time I wish I had video is like, listen, like because two people tend to point at each other. And let’s say

Tim 9:08
go for it. What do you think?

Dani 9:10
Are you serious right now? Yeah, I mean,

Tim 9:12
I think I mean, I’m just afraid to answer. So I want to hear I would

Dani 9:16
like for you to answer. But I think that we both tend to go on the same track. But I do think we both have different ideas in terms of the way that we approach things but at the same time, like our our values align and kind of ultimately what our purpose of ultimately what we want to see and do with what we’re doing. Right it all lines up. So even if our our approaches to get there might be different

Tim 9:41
in the beginning. So like I said, I wrote that book will come in bulletproof and she made the sweatshirt that had had the name on there. She took like I came up with something but I didn’t really know what I was going to do with it. She took that something and put it out there. And she’s just or to, you know, seating the garden with it everywhere and stuff like that. So it’s interesting

Craig 10:04
that you have to remember, if I say you people listening don’t know who I’m talking to. But I can look, Danny, you mentioned that he’s the closer that he finishes. But now Tim’s telling me that in this particular case, you finished a night you visit in embodied or you know, in Word fail, you know, maybe,

Dani 10:25
yeah, I think we’re, you’re

Craig 10:28
done. Tim, I’ll just step. I’m

Tim 10:29
all Yeah, I’m always done.

Dani 10:33
Well, I think I think there is kind of like I back and forth in terms of how we typically work. So you know, like that, that was something that he put out there that he had been working on, and then I was able to, you know, take that to the next step. And then there’ll be some times where I have an idea, and I’m not sure what I want to do with that. And he’s able to take it to the next step. And I think

Tim 10:53
more oil, so on the creative end, like she’ll come up with ideas, but then she’ll tell me to make it or create it. Right, so it’s kind of different.

Craig 11:02
Are they ridiculous? Is this like, I’m sorry, she just kept

Tim 11:07
on in those instances, I just don’t say anything. And I just let it pass.

Dani 11:11
or later, like three months later, he just does it for me. Later, but yeah,

Craig 11:19
what are you surprised to? So I’m super interested in interpersonal relationships, but I know that you guys aren’t like interpersonally related? We’re not mad since we made that joke about it. Tim says, Hi, I’m Tim, this is Danny, we’re not married. I knew that. But what I mean is, do you find that, right? Here’s the question I want to ask. If you work together long enough, eventually, you actually get to know the other person well enough that it’s no longer like, cool, like the first couple of months, or maybe the first like, I don’t know how long the timeframe is because different. It’s just like, This is awesome. I’m so excited to see you your ideas make me go, that’s awesome. And then at some point down the road, you’re like, you know, if you tell that story one more time, I’m gonna punch in the face like that, that there’s, there’s an arc to a relationship. And two people working together. This is a whole different world from two people who were married or in any kind of relationship. So I’m just wondering, like, I don’t know how long you’ve been working together. So how long you been working together? And like, are you still in what I would call the honeymoon phase and dog years or human year? I’ll take it, we can do the math later.

Tim 12:18
10 years, and we are at the point where she’s no longer concerned about hurting my feelings anymore.

Craig 12:23
That’s probably a good thing. Sure.

Dani 12:25
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think it’s been pretty consistent. Like across the board, like, we are pretty open and honest with each other and able to have hard conversations, which I think is, I think, is a really big piece of being in business and having a business partner. And so you know, I mean, we say like, we are more than just business partner. So like, we are acquaintances.

Craig 12:50
Yeah, obviously want to be really good friends. Yeah. So you know,

Dani 12:53
I mean, but like, He’s family to me, You know what I mean? So it’s, it is, there’s a trust, like a different level of trust to that, like, I mean, and realistically, he’s stuck with me for a very, very long time. Right. But and so I think that

Tim 13:08
previous life I was telling you. So, you know, I think long term, like

Craig 13:14
instead of doing stand up comedy,

Dani 13:17
I actually, if you’ve ever been in one of our online certifications, that is pretty much what it ends up being very stand up comedy, because,

Craig 13:25
like, I’ve done a lot of stuff, but not that much of it. And like, you’ll make God if you guys did something like they would be, how could you not get excited to do whatever it is you were trying to tell me to do? You’re gonna do 7000 burpees, I’d be like, Yeah, cuz you’re, you’re you feed off each other. And there’s a timing to comedy. Right? And you guys have that nailed. And there’s a timing to the but the good cop, bad cop or the I’m not I’m actually not a coach or a physical trainer in any capacity. But there’s like a, there’s like the good cop, bad cop. Like you’re doing great. You suck your butts up in the air like planks, you know? And I think you probably do you guys coach like at the same time we do that kind of thing. Or do you generally like you work together? More on the business but individually do the projects.

Tim 14:07
And once in a while on the peanut butter has to touch the chocolate? Yeah, we but she’s just she’s she’ll be she’ll, she’s a cheerleader. And I’m not as much the cheerleader coaching together, I guess.

Dani 14:19
Yeah. So we will coach together occasionally. But for the most part, like we try to split our times up throughout the gym, right. But when we do certifications that is us teaching together and usually it’s me behind a screen and a mic and him miked up on on the screen, too. So today’s world in today’s role, Yeah, cuz it sounds COVID We’ve been doing a lot more online, but yeah, it’s

Craig 14:43
it’s kind of the attendees are the students that people taking tests. How do they react like if they’ve done most of the training with Danny and then, you know, the stoic Tim arrives like, do you ever get any feedback from the students about like, you know, I knew you had a business partner, but I wasn’t like that. Like or do people to reveal jumpship? Like, I can’t take you when I’m going over to Tim Ville like, I’m just curious like how people react to the dynamic that has to exist within

Tim 15:08
your partner. She’s got her groupies, especially like those that are hard of hearing. They tend to get her her classes more. And

Craig 15:16
well played. Well played, sir.

Dani 15:21
I think in terms of like, for original strength and certifications and stuff like that, I think we’re entertaining to people. And so people

Tim 15:30
okay, but so there’s two worlds, though. So keep saying in terms of original strength and things like that. Our clients have no idea. Like they see me. And I’m quiet. Like, I

Dani 15:41
don’t talk. Yeah, he’s really quiet. And they see her

Tim 15:45
and she is I’m gonna blah, blah, blah, blah. And yeah, so I don’t like, and this is weird. And we this is where we do a poor job that they don’t really know what we do when it comes to original strength and other stuff as much. Or that we actually have two totally different personalities when we’re doing other things, mostly,

Dani 16:03
like, I’m pretty much me all the time.

Craig 16:08
So that makes me go, like, I call that it’s not really schizophrenia, but like, Do you have trouble? Like, just personally, like, you know, you get up in the morning and like, start your day? And it’s like, who am I supposed to be? I want to be today. Yeah. Do you actually, like, I call it putting on my podcasting hat? Like, you don’t want to meet me? I mean, not that I’m really alarming, but an hour before, I’m just like a guy driving on the road, you know, cursing at somebody who thinks I’m an idiot, because I’m only speeding by 10 miles an hour. And the construction is on what is it with people, you know, but like, it’s you, I know that you’re regular people. And then you have to like, you have to decide maybe who you’re going to show up for today, or you’re going to show up for? So do you ever, like actually struggle with who I want to be today? Or is it always like 100 isn’t gonna be me, and that works out in the end?

Dani 16:47
I think that’s a question for you, sir. I

Tim 16:49
look at my calendar in the morning and to see what I’ve got to do. Really? A lot of time on that. And so yeah, yeah. And then sometimes I’m like, You know what, I feel good yesterday. Maybe I’ll do that today. I think I’m pretty consistent across the board. However, oh, no, no, no, you don’t think so? No. So like, you were talking about you and Melissa know each other. So well, that’s your he doesn’t know. Yeah, she walk into the gym, and you can within without even seeing her, I’ll know if I need to talk to her or not. Or if I just stayed on the other side of it. I don’t have to look at her.

Dani 17:24
There, feel it. You can’t like when I’m

Tim 17:27
North Vader walks into the room, you know, it loops onto the floor, I feel the forest and something’s wrong. So

Dani 17:33
that’s true. Like when I’m about to teach a session, if I know that, like, I’ve got chaos around me like I can, I can like literally feel it, like coming out of my body like, and he’s like that, you know, picks it up, but and leave, then I leave. That’s also sure. But I do have to kind of like take it down a notch to like, actually, that’s when I go in and I’m like, Okay, I need to press Reset myself, before I move into working with these people because I don’t want to impact their day, right? Like all these people come into the gym. They want to have their best day.

Craig 18:04
Yeah, to be able to coaches, you always have to bring your A game, right? Yeah, no matter what’s going on. You gotta be I forgot to warn you in advance. Sometimes. I was like, the Craig does that. Like I’m like locked up? It’s not I’m not stuck, I get 9000 things I want to ask, what is? Oh, so many things. What do you think? What do you think people get wrong about you guys. So like, if somebody is looking at original strength, looking at the program, they can’t I think most people can’t help but also try to imagine the people who created this thing. And one thing I like to do when I interview people was like, if they have any books or anything, I go read all the Amazon reviews, not every one of them. But I read the Amazon reviews and see because you get an idea of what do people think about this person? And I don’t mean massive grain of salt, because internet, but I’m just wondering, what what do people think? Or maybe what do you think they think about you when they just like see a program? Like do they feel like you feel like you’re successfully projecting that you care about them? Or do you worry about projecting those things? Like there’s a whole level of compassion that I think coaches don’t get credit for, you know, like mom sees the kid in some class, they’re like that coach really seems to care, but there’s like a whole different level to that about really empathizing with the people you’re coaching. And the bigger that things get. I think it would get harder to be compassionate with the, you know, the unwashed masses. So I’m just wondering, like, have you thought about what people think about you as like, as through the lens of your projects?

Tim 19:35
No, because, like, just speaking for her, she’s Mother Teresa and she’s Mother Teresa, whether she’s working on something small in front of by herself in front of people or not. And so like that’s gonna always be there. And with me, like I just, I just want to be helpful. And I think that just always comes across, in whatever we’re working on. Anyway. And if people think we’re helpful, or Mother Teresa or nice or kind or compassionate, awesome. If they think we’re not, well, that’s okay. That’s their opinion anyway. And that’s their lens, and that’s where they’re at. But that doesn’t mean that we’re not or that doesn’t mean that we don’t want to be or anything else. But you know, too, I’m from this town, Southern Fuquay Varina. I was just brought up, you’re always just nice. Yes, ma’am. No, ma’am. Yes, sir. No, sir. mind your P’s and Q’s. And that’s kind of just how it is. But that’s always I mean, it always. I mean, that’s even if I’m quiet or being the other time and teaching something. And it’s still the same way, though.

Dani 20:41
You’re like me? Yeah. So I don’t know that I have really been ever concerned about what people have thought in terms of that level of things, for how we feel about them, or how how we can serve people. I do feel like we’ve always been very compassionate. And I think that’s part of what maybe has drawn some people even to original strength or to us is, I do think we’ve done a really good job seeing people it does get harder as as it grows, because we don’t see everybody individually. However, like we still sent, you know, like, Tim puts out videos every week puts out a podcast every week, and you hear in his voice, you hear it in his blog, you hear it in the emails that we send out, like so I think most people get an understanding of the kind of people that we are and there’s some days or yeah, maybe it shows that I sound like Darth Vader coming through the door. But, um, but I think for the most part, you know. I think that I think that people kind of, you know, have a good feel for us. Now. You ask the question, though, like, do we ever like things? Or do people ever get anything, you know, miss anything in regards to looking at

Craig 21:52
her OB wrong or miss assume they assume something that’s actually wrong? Or

Dani 21:55
yeah, and I don’t necessarily know that they’re assuming something that’s wrong. But I think that a lot of times, things that I feel that people are kind of missing is that like, you know, we’re not, you know, you look at the fitness industry, which is like this huge, crazy, big industry that has very overcomplicated and, and expensive solutions for health and wellness and

Tim 22:20
an oil, and leotards and all the

Dani 22:23
things, all of the things. And, you know, I think we we, our whole goal has always just been to get people to move, like to move and to get back to the very basics and the foundations and at the heart of that is always been that we wanted people to feel the hope that movement can bring into life and to understand that moving heals the body. And so you know, kind of coming into all that I think that sometimes people get stuck in that fitness lens of needing a workout and thinking it needs to be complicated and, and things like that. And so when you look at learning new things, they’re thinking they’re just coming in to learn a couple of exercises to do x, y, z. And it’s really it’s it’s a way of life is what we’re trying to kind of coach people through in a way to see people we’re trying to coach coaches or professionals how to see the body and how to help other people see their own bodies, I guess.

Tim 23:18
But we also try to establish the conditions like so if you walk into our studio on the wall, it says I am awesomely and wonderfully made. Like that’s the message we want people to get when they come in to learn about themselves. And all of our books and all of our manuals, training manuals and stuff that is also written somewhere in the manual. Like so we, you know, even for our, our studio down the street, we we wanted to be like a light in the community, a place where people felt safe, where they felt good about themselves, where they could learn how to enjoy themselves and you know, enjoy their body. And like I like if she she asked me before, what do you want to do. And I just want to help people feel good in their own body. And so we try to establish that, that environment or condition or so that’s hopefully the message that people receive no matter which version of us they get at whatever day.

Craig 24:12
Do you recall if either of you ever wants to jump on the bike first? Do you recall, either, you know, have you always been like that? So you eat you’re describing a vision of yourself or like a reflection of yourself that you see how you see yourself? Do you ever recall seeing yourself differently? Or do you ever recall, I’m also gonna say that it’s not like one in a million unique but that’s not super common for people to have the type of clarity of like, this is what I want to accomplish. And that Abbottabad day, but I still know what my goal was. My mission is so do you recall like ever not feeling that because you’re describing slightly different ways about yourself but convert this to your own head? Do you recall feeling differently at any point or having a different vision of yourself or do you ever recall noticing like at some point you had to notice that The first time and when everybody else isn’t like this, like, do you recall those moments? I always love it and was interested in transitions. Like, and do you recall ever noticing that.

Tim 25:12
And I don’t know if this is what you’re specifically asking. But so I’ve grown a lot since we’ve started since the real strength started. Because but it does feel good to feel good. And, like I, as nice as I want to be right now I know I’ve not been, for the first 30 years of my life, I was just an average, sometimes nice, sometimes very not nice person. I mean, you know, you grow. But when I started learning the own wonder of my own body, and how amazing it is, and how, like, when, when you feel good, physically, you feel good mentally and emotionally. And when you don’t feel good physically, you’re you withdraw inside, and you’re not very nice, you’re not very giving to everyone else, because you’re, you’re consumed with whatever’s going on with you. And everybody knows that. But if you’ve learned how to break free from that, are you You know, it does feel a lot better to feel good. So I can be the person I want to be, then that’s kind of intoxicating. So I know for a fact that I haven’t always been the person I want to be wanted to be. But I do know now that I kind of know how I can help myself get there a lot easier. But that’s just me.

Dani 26:27
Yeah, I’d say. And I, I guess there’s been a lot of growth for me to like, over, especially over I would say, the last five to 10 years. And for me, it’s always been like me battling with myself, you know, when which is what you explained to right, buddy? Yeah, yeah. And, you know, whether it’s like, from one end of kind of this imposter syndrome, like, I don’t know, if I have enough to share with people or people will listen to me, like, you know, if I if I go out and share, like, do I have the ability to stand up there and teach something even. And I feel a lot more confident in those settings, but that still creeps in. I think one of the big things, though, is like I’ve started to kind of grow to build more of an awareness of of where, and in Tim’s book discovering you, you talked about the line above that being above or below the line. And I you know, I think you can kind of see like, Hey, this is the person that I want to be, right, this is the person that I want to portray. And this is like kind of the route I want to go down. And it’s very easy for me to tell now when I’m when I’m going above and going the route I want to go or when I’m below my best self when I’m not acting my best self, which is usually like, I’m not listening to people, I’m doubting myself, or I’m trying to compete too much, which is usually when I’m most disappointed in myself is like if I cannot let go of like that challenging competitor side, because I am like all about working with others and lifting others up. And so when I when I find myself trying to compete with someone, I’m like, why am I doing this? I know, I don’t want to do that. So I don’t know.

Craig 28:13
Except for the last except for the last two words. I don’t know, if you had it all, it was all perfect. Just delete the I don’t know, you actually know what’s very clear. And I, your answers are what I suspected, which is that you’ve gotten to a point in your just your personal individual lives kind of form, you’re starting to, like look back at like, like, its look at the chaos and destruction aren’t let’s let’s clean this mess up. And I think that can’t help but come out in, in what you create, whether it be you know, a conversation with one person or whether it be, you know, like, it seeps into the sentences that you write in books, it seeps into the gestures that you make and videos. And that’s it’s a, it’s basically impossible to fake that because you could fake it, nine days out of 10. But on the 10th day, it’s you know, the real you would show up. So I really appreciate you guys sharing, you know that that’s like a, it’s not like skeletons in the closet type stuff, but it’s not. So tell me how you guys started? You know, it’s a very different type of question to ask someone. And I really don’t prepare them in advance. Like, I’m not sitting there thinking, Oh, we’re gonna do this. And I have no clue where we’re going. Do you find that? So for me, I feel like I’m drowning in information. Sometimes it’s like, the more that I interact, especially when the more people I talk to on the podcast, oh, it’s bad. The more people I talk to the more avenues I see like I should be I just had a great conversation with somebody who also is into physics, and I felt my head was gonna melt. I’m just like, oh, I have all these things I haven’t been paying attention to. So in your universes, I don’t know if you’d like if you want to tell me more about your universe that you’re in. But do you find that you have to? Like, is it effort to stay focused on fitness like do you find, oh, you know what we really need to turn left and also do meditation because like it’s a very small step from like teaching people how to breathe as one of the five basic movements that you have in the program, it’s like a very small step, if it’s like a non step at all to go from when what you’re really working on is mindfulness and breathing. And you could build whole programs on that. And it’d be really good for the world. But like, do you guys struggle to say, Okay, we’re doing X, it’s working well, and we see other ways that we can help the world. But no, let’s just keep our blinders on. Like how much of a, you know, versus maybe you’re just so utterly swamped with turning the crank to make X bigger and keep that going. You’re like, the urge to do other things doesn’t come up, just wondering about your, like, how you do, how you choose where to direct your energies, energies? And how you choose what to do with the ideas that come up?

Dani 30:39
Do you, I mean, I’m always kind of, like, I’m always thinking of all the different things we can do. So I actually, I have a shiny object problems sometimes of like, oh, I want to do this, this and we can do this. Yes, you know, and I actually think we’ve been given a lot of freedoms to be able to do a lot of these different things. So to not just focus on the fitness world, because there is so much more than the fitness world and I and I think in Tim’s book, some of his, you know, some of his books that really kind of comes out a little bit more and more every time he writes, and I think where you are in life right now to, you know, he started in a very specific fitness area and has, you know, it’s always been kind of coming back to this idea of pressing reset, which is the five movements, right. But it it has continued to grow and to, to kind of melt into all of these other areas of overall wellness and wholeness as a person. And so I think that, you know, most of the things that we are doing even now do approach more than just fitness because, yeah, it does get boring. And And honestly, I don’t even like the term fitness, because it is it’s about movement, and there’s a lot of movement that has to take place in life and the way that, you know, we move through life. It’s, it’s, it takes a lot of a lot of different pieces for that. So we like to be able to touch all those different areas that I don’t know, like, you know, do you have something you’re gonna say,

Tim 32:05
I know, not really. But I’m like, See, to me, it’s all the same thing. And I’m easy to stay focused on. I’m like, Rain Man. So it is not that. Okay, so the five resets that are the foundation there of everything. Which means anything else, from them as an extension of those. So to me is not necessarily a different thing, like walking is not different than crawling, walking is just an extension of crawling. Meditation is not really different from breathing, it’s, it can just be an extension of his like, where do those five things lead you? If they’re in place? And you have your foundation? Where can you go with that? So and the deeper those roots are, well, the more you can branch out from it. So to me, they’re just all extensions, so they’re not necessarily different. So I don’t get distracted in that sense, because to me, it’s the same thing. Now there are other like, if you’re talking about fitness fads, those don’t. I don’t look at those at all, I’m pretty much blinders on, on the main thing for me, which is the foundation.

Dani 33:13
I mean, we’ve we’ve taken kind of where we started though, so we have, you know, our, our edge. So original strength, we’re educating fitness and health care providers, you know, putting out books, we have a publishing company, so we help other fitness and health actually, not even just that you can be independent, we help people publish books. So like we’ve kind of gone down that path. And then we’ve got mentorship programs, we’re working with a local college to intern to help bring up interns to become coaches or potentially maybe own their own business or work for us. You know, I you know,

Craig 33:48
what you did there.

Tim 33:50
Were again is five.

Dani 33:53
We’ve done our online, we have an online training company where we do everything from specific training programs that sometimes we write, sometimes we help other people write and put out and then like, even just now I and I know this is we’re kind of talking in the future here, but we’ve just released a program called I, the daily 20 ones, which is not a fitness program. It is a movement program, but it’s about building daily habits for vitality. Like for a healthy lifestyle. We’ll talk about that or explain what I’m talking about right now. I just did it. Okay, all right. He’s a man of many words.

Tim 34:29
I just don’t want you to I gotta say

Craig 34:32
it again. Okay, so totally do stand up. I mean, down perfect.

Dani 34:38
But you know, like so I do feel like we’ve had so many opportunities to be able to go into these different areas, you know, and, and get to share and it stays exciting all the time. Because there’s so many different paths we can go to

Tim 34:51
exciting to us. Yeah, not be exciting anybody else’s. Well, it’s exciting to

Dani 34:55
people. We love waking up and doing our work.

Craig 34:57
Yeah, there will be people who are nodding. longer here, they’re like, Oh my God, that’s me when I go to, you know, whatever they do teach wherever they teach where their program is that they’re into. And sometimes I’ll admit, I had a great thought in the middle of what you were saying, but I try not to hang on to them too tight because I want to make sure I’m listening. And I was listening, and I

Tim 35:12
lost the thought I met my friend Danny.

Craig 35:17
Not quite that was. What’s our here’s, here’s a hard one, you guys are actually really doing really awesome. What? Danny, what’s a question? I should have asked him and I haven’t asked him yet. I’m never looking for skeletons or dirt. I’m like, you know, things that you would be interested in sharing not ask him about the skeleton of the cloth? Well, because he’s probably very likely to answer the question if we ask him here. Yes,

Dani 35:40
yes. I don’t I just don’t even know where to start. Oh, no

Tim 35:43
answers. If there are no questions. Yeah,

Dani 35:45
I honestly, I don’t know where to start. Can we come back to that? Can I think about it? Sure,

Craig 35:49
you can, but I’m gonna go. Hey, Tim, what’s the question I should have asked me that I haven’t asked you. You could

Tim 35:53
probably ask her something like, what is the W MC,

Dani 35:57
okay? All right. So, WMC is the women’s movement collaborative, which was kind of a side project because I got a little bit like, I needed something new. And I, we were kind of trying to figure out okay, how can we, I was thinking, I want to continue to

Tim 36:15
support working with Tim socks, I want to do Sorry,

Dani 36:18
no, it wasn’t that I just, I just needed, like, you know, I, I saw a need basically, I saw a need, I saw a bunch of people going out and doing their own thing and being in these all these separate camps. And, you know, one way and this is the only way of life and I’m talking about in the movement industry at that time, like, you know, so you can like, you know, okay, Parkour, for example, your Parkour guy like there was like Parkour people only do at that time, the ones I knew only did Parkour stuff. And then there was like, CrossFit, people only do CrossFit stuff. kettlebell, people only do kettlebell stuff. And I was, like, I don’t understand why we can’t all just like, come together and learn about each other and learn about each other’s things that we like to do and see, you know, how we can do stuff together. And so that’s kind of how WMC came about, is stand for women’s movement collaborative. There you go. I didn’t say it, I said it. And so I, you know, I reached out to a couple friends, and I was like, Hey, you do awesome stuff, and you do awesome stuff. And we’re all kind of in different camps. Like, you know, let’s let’s come together and create this event for women to get together to learn about movement, learn about how capable and strong they are, and get to experience some new things. It also provided them an opportunity to be able to try new things in an environment that wasn’t really filled with a bunch of guys, obviously, because it’s women’s movement collaborative. But, you know, I, what we were noticing is that a lot of women weren’t willing to try new things, or were uncomfortable, taking up kind of space to be vulnerable, when there were men around. So it gave a really cool opportunity to be able to open the door to that. And honestly, we had such a blast. We did. We’ve had four events, and then COVID, because of COVID, we didn’t do any last year, and we haven’t done any this year. But you know, we’ve made some all all the people there, walked away with all the women walked away with new relationships and connections, and I’m still seeing them like sprouting really cool things, you know, different women that have it have been, you know, presenters to people that attended like on other people’s podcasts and doing projects together and writing books together. And it’s really cool. So I don’t know, that was a rambly version of of what the WMC is.

Tim 38:31
Thank you for answering my question.

Dani 38:33
Did I answer it? Okay. Yeah.

Craig 38:34
This isn’t a quiz. Question. And you go a little a little left on maybe like you didn’t answer the question. Yeah. Not an inquisition.

Dani 38:43
Tim, I would be curious, like, what are you working on now? Like, what’s exciting you these days, because you’ve been doing right? Pressing reset has been something that you’ve been focused on for a long time. So like, how do you stay engaged in like, putting out new content? You’re putting out content all the time, like all the time, like, how does that content come to you?

Tim 39:04
I’m not working on any new projects right now. But as far as content goes, I just try to stay regular. As far as showing up every week, because I know I’m responsible for putting information out or that I feel like I’m responsible. I don’t have to I can stop, I guess. But um, I if I learned something, then I share it. So if it’s a new movement, or for the, for the videos, if I’m rolling around on the floor, and I figure out something new, then that becomes something that will eventually maybe become a video. A lot of times if I’m sitting down to write, it has to come out of me because I can’t like you know, you tell me to write stuff all the time. And I’m like, I don’t think so. It has to be it has to be there like unforced for me to do it. So, honestly, it just has to happen. It doesn’t it’s like but I don’t like it doesn’t come from me. It just comes to me, for the most part has a lot to say I’m not really working on anything special right now. But questions for him, they’ll come up

Craig 40:13
this is called letting the silence do the work for you good. Really it is, it is way better than I am getting people to think of things. And I mean, you can misuse it. And then people say things that we have to edit out. But it’s also nice to give people a space where you know, like Cybil poking their head in the doors, this room and use Yes. But I think that it’s interesting what happens when it whether it’s just one guest or two or three will is was a blast. If I get like three guests, it turns into a cocktail party that I didn’t get an invitation to, and like, they just like thing just happens. And I’m like, just gonna sit here and watch the recorder. And it’s always interesting to me. And I mean that in a positive way that can sound like oh, look at these people. I mean, it’s always interesting mean a good way to see how people react to the space that we’re creating with the podcast. And I mean, both the physical literal space, like when I start on packing junkie, like holy cow, you’ve got a lot of crap with you, and you’re legit. Well, I didn’t do it to seem legit, I did it because if I want it to sound like this, you have to prepare the stuff. And now I’m off. I’m off on the scenic rural route when we get back on the highway. So I’m interested in how people react to having the space created for them. So some of the most flick over the top fun ones I’ve done have been like outdoors, where like, where they sit in the woods with microphones, you know, and there’s like, a motorboat goes by on the lake, you know, and we just kind of pause like, this space is always so much a part of what gets created. So so I’m gonna ask a question, believe it or not. What I’m wondering is, and I actually think of the question first and then all that ramble is me explaining why the question. I’m wondering if having sat through this experience, I don’t mean with me like, Yeah, I’m also my sound great. That’s nice. Moving on, like you correct. Thank you. I really, truly do appreciate that. And I really tried to get out of the way. But what I’m wondering is, this seems to be like a unique, like, I don’t get the vibe that you guys have sat down and certainly had this kind of conversation on mics before. And maybe I’m wondering, how do you like, do you have Tete a tetes like this? Like, are you having ideas now? Like, there’s something interesting about this space that that Danny and Tim, that we are experiencing? Is this giving you new ideas? Are you thinking in new directions? Not because I want to take credit for the stuff that you do, but because I’m just curious to see what happens, you know, as you experience the thing,

Tim 42:26
I do want to SM 58 microphone.

Dani 42:28
I was like, actually, I literally was like, I need to write this down of like, Christmas gift for Tim,

Tim 42:34
we don’t need to write it down. I’m

Craig 42:36
gonna drop ship.

Dani 42:38
He probably does I’m not getting when he went to the bathroom earlier. I don’t know, for me, like we do have like, pretty, like regular conversations about all sorts of things. But on podcast, or in an opportunity like this, it’s it’s kind of always been behind closed doors, right? Like, are these kind of conversations and it’s, I’d say it’s actually really refreshing and cool for for us to get these questions from you, too, because we’ve done a lot of podcasts. And it is kind of about the same thing all the time. And it does get a little bit boring. And it’s not that interesting. And so it’s actually it is it is eye opening, to some extent for me to see also, like, I know that there’s you asked me, you know, like, what questions what I what question when I asked him, and normally I’d say that’s something I’m really good at is asking him the right questions, and I couldn’t think of anything at the moment, but

Tim 43:33
you make her nervous. It’s the voice.

Craig 43:37
I can try to make you nervous. I’m purposely not trying to make you nervous.

Dani 43:42
But you know, I know that there’s certain questions that will really pull out, you know, a certain version of Tim that I like, I want to, for everyone to hear more of and I I’m not there at the moment.

Craig 43:54
So here’s the idea that comes to mind that there’s I say this a lot in the podcasts, there’s no trick to asking good questions. Just watch the ideas, go through your head, grab two that are like PG 13 rated, and stick them together. And you’ll have like this new idea. And what I was thinking was you’re talking about questions for him. You You said you’re good at asking him questions. And I went, Yeah, but in a particular context. So maybe it’s what’s the question that I should ask him to get him to do the thing to help him do the video like you’re always you’re, you’re thinking of him most often in a certain context. So now I’m thinking, and I’m not gonna go anywhere weird with this, but like, what questions do you think? Like, what is Tim? Not everybody has the potential right. So like, what isn’t Tim? I’m just struggling with grammar. Like if if we say that Tim isn’t reaching his potential in some area, what questions in this interesting, like interpersonal conversational context? What questions can you now think to ask him in this new context, which might help him go in a new direction? And of course, I’m going to ask you the same question the other way if you can do answers and think at the same time

Dani 44:59
well, Oh, realistically. Yeah, that is that is that’s hard. And I do feel like I should have written this down before. You know, I think I stuff that people can really benefit from hearing from Tim is talking about like, like, so we talk a lot, and people, a lot of people that that know who Tim is follow him and kind of think of him as Superman. And that’s like his his guy, right? Like he loves Superman. And so something that I think a lot of people kind of put him up in this in this spot and think that he is just the Superman and no one can relate. And it makes it challenging for some people to relate to Tim. And I think sometimes finding ways to get him to share his vulnerabilities. And his struggles are a really helpful way to get people to connect better with Tim so that they can see like this is attainable for them to you don’t have to just you Superman doesn’t just believe in himself. Superman knows, like Tim knows that this is what’s what’s possible for everybody. And I think that so I don’t have a specific question. But if I did, my questions are usually always to try to pull out him in his real life struggles and

Tim 46:15
want me to talk about my pains.

Dani 46:18
Well, I think that like, you know, I think people relate, I want to make him as relatable as possible. And that’s usually like, where I’m going when I’m trying to ask you questions,

Tim 46:28
me and Zuckerberg, you can’t get a beat read on it. It’s just plain, just like, stoic,

Dani 46:33
you just don’t always open up right away. So I mean, like, you know, I know that. Actually, you’re in a really interesting stage of life right now, like, so you’ve got two kids. One’s a senior in high school, and one is in college, or just left for college. You’re like a year away, sorry, to like, put you on the spot here. But he’s a weird year away from being an empty nester. He’s had a really successful career, you have a gym, you’ve got you’ve written all these books, you’ve done all these things. And so now I’m kind of like, okay, like, what’s next? Right, like, scared? will be okay. But you know, like, so I’m, we’re kind of when we have been having these conversations. We’re like, what’s next? And so, I think there’s a lot of people that are kind of in the same realm of like, hey, what’s right, what’s next? And they

Craig 47:19
don’t know that about him, or they don’t know all of the time that he spends thinking about it. But you know, because he’s talked to you about it, I see where you’re going, I think I see where you’re going. And you don’t have to add like, I’m never, you know, like, I don’t want to talk about things I don’t want to talk about. But if you’re if you’re interested in like, I mean, first of all, congratulations on family and to six. So we’ll say successful kids, like that’s, that’s not easy to do. And to balance the time, you know, to divide yourself between multiple things that you love. That’s tricky.

Dani 47:48
I don’t know, I don’t necessarily have a specific area is going other than like, it’s a cool stage of life. It’s been cool to see him though, like I, you know, because I, I’ve seen you since your kids were little and you’re working like, you know, switching from a full time firefighter job to running a business and then going through and in just all these different shifts. So it’s just been interesting. And so now I am curious, what’s next. But I know you don’t

Tim 48:13
know don’t know, I know.

Craig 48:15
I’m also watching Tim is the master of silence as well. I’m pretty like by wielded like a scalpel. Took me a long time to learn to do that. But Tim, Tim is like right up there. And like the zoo less can just like Tim and I can just sit here and be like, Oh,

Dani 48:29
can I leave? I’ll be sitting here like how it works every time.

Craig 48:32
And I think it’s interesting to part of the effect, if we took the headphones off, don’t do it, because it wrecks everything. But if you take moments in which you can headphones off, it’s just like, oh, the regular world is nothing at all like, and we talk about this in advance. I tell people like this conversation, what it sounds like, for us, this is what it sounds like the people we’re listening to, they get the same experience. I think a lot of I have a question just came to mind, a lot of people who create podcasts, I’m not knocking your work, I actually haven’t listened. But I think a lot of people who create podcasts, they miss out on the power of the auditory experience. And it’s the it’s easy, it’s not easy to do well, but it’s easy to focus on. Who am I interviewing? Or what content are we covering? Or? And does it sound good enough people to listen? Or is it a zoom call or whatever? And I really think it’s interesting when you get these experiences and people might have like skipped out 30 seconds in and that’s fine. But I’m wondering if you’ve, if you’ve ever thought about how do you teach movement like me? I’ve always thought it’s weird. There is a question coming. How do you teach movement when like, I can show you movement, which is visual or I can talk at you about movement, but I can’t actually movement you like the content you’re probably maybe to dance or something but you don’t generally manipulate the person effect. As far as I know that actually doesn’t work when you physically move people. That doesn’t work. So have you ever thought about like, I guess now Getting into pedagogy or pedagogy? How do you how do you say that word? Pedagogy pedagogy process? Now how do you say the word pedagogy? Don’t

Tim 50:07
only say where’s I could spell? Oh, I can spell it. So therefore, I don’t use it.

Craig 50:13
That’s very wise. But But have you thought about when you’re creating material? How do you like get over that hurdle?

Tim 50:20
It’s easy. If they can’t experience it, it doesn’t make any sense. And it doesn’t matter what you say. So for us, when we teach OLS, or we teach people how they’re designed to move, we have them experience it so that they can wrestle with their experience. And that’s what teaches them is not what we say, is them actually doing it, and seeing how it affects them. And then we don’t have to say anything, their own body is the best teacher in the world. And it talks to them immediately. And it’s beautiful. And then and so it doesn’t matter if we say something that sounds absolutely insane, once they experience it. Awesome. And then they’ll listen to us more openly for what’s coming next. And then they experienced that. And they solidify through experience, what what we’re trying to convey the message. And then they teach themselves, which is viewed is beautiful. And I wish I could tell you this something I thought about or thought of or came up with, but it’s not. You know, my friend Jeff actually showed me how to have people you know, you teach them there’s one thing but then have them do it, and see how it affects their body. And let them let them wrestle with it. And it works like your body’s an instant feedback machine. It’ll tell you everything you want to know. That’s all I have to say about that.

Craig 51:41
I just would see where you get what you guys would do. If I didn’t say anything. Danny was like, I am not saying we’re Let’s talk it was like let’s zoom out a little bit. And let’s I’m curious about, I’m always curious about like journeys and mindset shifts. And I’m wondering if there are particular people in your life and there’s obvious, I don’t want to belittle like, my mom, like, yes. Okay, like everybody pleased, I hope has a life where they get to say my parents were a good influence, not the case for everybody. But I’m wondering like, are there people that what you just said to him made me think about how questions Where do the questions come from? Like, do they arise within me in response to an experience to somebody gives me the question, and I’m wondering, are there people that you can point you in your life that may have asked you a question or showed you something or asked you to do something? And the insight that you got was really likely, I didn’t in hindsight, I don’t I don’t understand why that connection came from that person. So if I say, you know, this Olympic weightlifting coach taught me how to PR and deadlift, and it really surprised that I was able to do it in six weeks. It’s like, well, that’s not really that surprising. But you might have like, you’ll have like English teachers in elementary school who asked me like a question. I had a math professor once say to me, it’s really subtle, that mathematics should actually predict reality. I was like, well, but then I’m like, Well, yeah. Why does the chalkboard scratchings actually, so that like, inspiration and questions come from strange place? I’m just wondering if anybody has popped to mind in the middle of my ramble.

Tim 53:16
So in my life, there’s easy people I can point out that definitely helped steer me and shaped me, but not, not necessarily through questions, but through their kindness and their examples, John Brookfield, who is the creator of battling ropes, and some other really wonderful training systems in the Guinness Book of World Record for everything. He just through example, and kindness taught me that there are no limits to what a human body can do, especially if you believe in yourself, or if you believe in, you know, your body. And if you believe that God is going to help you do it. And he lived that every day, he just took me under his wing, and everything he did was that simple message. There are no limits. If you put your mind to it, you can do it. And God will help you if you if you trust. He taught me a lot, Dan John, also a huge influence just because again, he was kind to me and nice to me for and didn’t ever need it to be. He through example, like when you’re when I’m around him, like I see, oh, that’s the kind of person I want to be. Right. He cares about people. He cares about his waitstaff at a restaurant he cares about any he’s never met a stranger, any, he’ll ask questions to a stranger that, you know, to get to know them about their family history. Like who invest in somebody they don’t know, like, you know, let alone that they do. And just how he carries himself that that made an impression on me. And again, I was a stranger and he totally poured himself into me for no no for nothing. told me how to publish my first book or connect me with somebody that could show me how. And he called me one night just to check on me when I was having a bad day. I mean, who does that You know, and like, arguably, he’s very busy, pretty famous, and he’s doing all kinds of things teaching all over the world. And he calls me. So I mean, I’ve had those examples and those experiences where I’m like, that’s, that’s the direction I want to go.

Dani 55:16
Yeah, I don’t have the same experience that that Tim has with some of these things. So my parents were, I know you said, not their parents, but I don’t mean

Craig 55:29
to belittle one’s parents. I just mean, I wanted to make sure you searched.

Dani 55:33
Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, but so mine kind of start with my dad, who also works with us within original strength has played a really big role on on kind of getting me to be the person that I am today, obviously, your parents do that, right. I feel like I’ve learned from, from my parents are divorced. So I’ve learned from like, I’ve got, I’ve got a lot of family. And I feel like I’ve learned a lot of experiences through them both in the things that I they did really, really well, and the things that they challenged me on and the mistakes that they’ve made. And I’m not parents, if you’re listening, I love you just say yeah, but But you know, so I,

Tim 56:17
but they’re not listening right? Now. When they

Dani 56:20
do when they do, they might not. But that’s okay. But you know, so I feel like I learned a lot from my parents, I also played sports very competitively. Growing up, I had a lot of coaches that, that really pushed me and, and kind of built me up, I was, you know, always struggled with confidence as as a kid. And, you know, through sports, I that really helped to develop that confidence level a lot more. And so, you know, between my, my dad, I would say, and my coaches, that kind of really started to kind of give me this, they both kind of instilled in me this, like I can, I can do anything, and that it’s going to be hard work. And so I literally take that with me still, like, everywhere, I was like, I can do anything. And it’s and I can work hard, you know, it’s gonna be hard, and it’s gonna be hard work. And I can do that. So, I still, like those are probably some of the biggest things like that I’ve taken away. And then, you know, I met my husband, I met Tim. And, you know, my husband has actually, like, made a big impact in my life. Obviously, he’s my husband, but like, he’s been through a lot. And there’s, he’s said things like, it’s, it’s not that bad. And there’s he actually said this in a different way. But it kind of highlighting, like, wherever I am. It’s it’s not as it’s not as bad as it is, it is in the moment, right? And I and these are like basic examples, right? Like

Craig 57:54
to picture it’s hard to pull the basics up, like, you know, it’s one thing to know how to breathe, and it’s another to be able to breathe. Like if you get caught in middle the bank robbery. Yeah. That the the lived experience is right in front of you. That’s not like, if you’ve ever been, I hope you haven’t in a car crash I have been when you see it coming. It’s like it’s even though it’s horrific. It’s still like over there. You know, like, if the car is six, eight feet away, or like the things are still at arm’s length and your personal experience is not it’s right, you’re right up against the glass of the windshield. And I think when you’re able to look back and go this person, I know like it’s gets kitschy, or it’s stereotypical to say my dad made a big influence, or my husband a big influence. It’s actually not common that people notice that they mostly just let those things go by, because they’re swamped with emotions, not caused by that person. But they’re swamped by the emotion of the day or the anger of this or the exasperation at that or whatever, over runs them. Yeah. So I think you seem to be like, feeling like, I don’t have a famous name that I’m like, No, but the coaches, your father, those people are the the luminaries that that were in your space.

Dani 59:05
Yeah, I and Tim’s had a huge impact in the way that I do things and move through life as well. And I think, you know, I feel like I’ve been very fortunate to be surrounded with some incredible people and I, so I feel like well, you know, I feel like Tim has like very specific mentors. I feel like I have been lit up by so many people and been able to learn something from a lot of the people that I’m around that have really kind of made big impacts, like, actually one of my co workers, Jill, when I was I had little babies when I had little babies. I remember one day she told me like, you don’t need to be rushing like and it was like a slap in the face at the time because I was rushing everywhere and I still get caught up right in rushing and I think a lot of people like like, why are you so busy? Why are you in a hurry? Like there’s no reason to be in a hurry. And so like I still I think about this very moment of jail time. Only me like, you don’t need to rush like, like, and I’m like, okay, just slow down. I don’t need to be in a hurry.

Tim 1:00:06
Like, is that why you are late every?

Dani 1:00:09
I wouldn’t say about since that time I probably have been later. But anyways, so little things like that have like, stuck into me from lots of different people.

Craig 1:00:23
Anything that I mean, like we can dig into the movement collaborative more, we could dig into open, original strength, open string, I keep wanting to say open source because your tissue reminds me of open source, but I get it up. But I’m just wondering if there are things that you had? And I say this a lot to people like, are there things that you had in mind that you wanted to make sure that we get to? And it can be like, if we haven’t yet mentioned? Like, I don’t think we’ve said the name of the gym yet. Like, if you want to go over your projects that you’re working on? Like, are there things that you wanted to talk about, on your way here? Because I’d say before we press record, this is meant to be your space? Do?

Tim 1:00:57
I mean, I’m just happy to answer your questions. I don’t have necessarily an agenda.

Dani 1:01:04
Yeah, and I didn’t really have an agenda. I kind of figured eventually, like it would go down the hole of your your listeners are, are coming here for a certain reason, right? Like,

Craig 1:01:15
I have no idea. I really How would I know who’s listening? I personally believe that it’s getting into podcasting. The whole the whole concept and space in general, has gotten to the point where there’s so many shows that I think most people are listening to single episodes. So like I listened to a couple like, you know, one or two, like wanting to fast forward through for each of you. But I didn’t even know the shows like I have no clue who those shows are. So there I am. I’m a download and somebody shows somewhere, you know, and I listened and I wasn’t listening. Every time the host spoke I fast forwarded like some sort of thing to the guest. And I really think that that’s becoming with the exception of everybody has like their favorite like, Oh my God, listen to every single one of like, everybody has one of those. But in general Rogan, though, you know, I’ve never actually heard an episode of Joe Rogan not because I have any guests. It’s just it’s never I’ve never had to listen to a guest. So I’ve listened to a few like Marc Maron or some of Tim Ferriss. And it’s because I wanted to hear that person. And so just to circle back, my mom doesn’t even listen to the show. Because she wouldn’t know how I interesting to listen to this. It’ll be the people who want to hear what Danny has to say. And what will actually happen is somebody will go, you have to listen to Danny on movers mindset, I hope, because she talked about something. And she’s never had a chance to talk about that, or I’ve heard her talk about that. But I’ve never heard anybody else hear her talk about that. So that’s what I like about the project. I started personally exploring movement, just like oh, I learned to move again, started with Parkour when I was 40. And then he was having cool conversations. And then I thought, Oh, that’s fun. And then somebody else went, you should have recorded that I should have listened to that podcast that’s literally like the beginning. And so for me, I’m not trying to make a show. I’m trying to have just personally interested in cool conversations with people. And Danny, I don’t think we’ve ever met before. But like I’ve seen you in enough photos that I keep thinking like I know who you are, like, I should know more about you than I do. And it’s like weird. So that’s just like, some of what I’m what goes into the soup, like for the thing that I’m creating? And yeah, my understanding is it’s very different. I do know about the people who do it this way. But it’s kind of sort of different. I’m not trying to make a thing as much as try make a space for us. I mean, well, thank you for making this space today. But just make a space for the three of us to have a conversation. And then let’s let’s silence do a little work.

Dani 1:03:32
Well, no, I just I wanna say thank you. I am talking in silence. But thank you, and I was gonna try to hold out but I just I just wasn’t because

Craig 1:03:42
I’m curious. Like, once one, I have lots of more questions. The problem is not amount of things to ask, one of the questions that comes to mind is, what is it about this question about women’s specific experience and the women’s collaborative project? What is it about the other spaces that women don’t feel comfortable, I love the phrase you use about them taking up space. And like because I take up space, too, you go somewhere to do something, you have to take up space, if you don’t feel comfortable taking up the space, which by the way you are 100% entitled to. If you don’t feel comfortable taking up that space, we can look at it like you know, let’s fix the person so they feel comfortable, or we can look at it. Like let’s fix the space. Like there’s different ways to approach that challenge. So we can go down that rabbit hole, like let’s talk about what do you feel that you’ve accomplished with the with the women’s collaborative? What do you think that it? Like a better question might be what is it about that which is more successful than say, trying to fix mixed gender classes or like because that’s something I’m interested in, which I haven’t asked yet.

Dani 1:04:44
All right. So I think one of the you know, I was gonna say the multiple things that I think we did that made a really big difference in allowing and giving space for people take up space, is that we wanted the things we did was we brought in you know these He’s like minded individuals to share, but we never set them up on a pedal stool so that, like the presenters were the presenters and the the attendees were the attendees it was all of the people were participants is actually so we changed the terminology is kind of part of how we tried to do is that everyone was a participant instead of attendee. So I actually we also refer to them as collaborators, so that they came in there with their own thoughts. And we kind of set the stage on the very first day of like asking people to share certain things like, hey, what’s one thing that you want to share about what you are? What’s that, you know, you’re excited about what’s something that you hope to take away so that we could, you know, help set intentions, actually, some of that actually came? Some of these questions actually came from Caitlin Petrella, who I know you’ve interviewed before, and she’s incredible, and I’ve learned a lot from her as well. And I don’t know her well. So that’s pretty cool. I think, you know, so we kind of really set the stage and changed some of the terminology, we allowed everyone to play on the same playing field and made them feel like they were there to contribute, instead of just, like, take away, we made we made everyone give as well. And then also, I think, you know, we just, we took it into a vulnerable state, so that we kind of mixed in movement, and also made them really think about things as well. So they had to kind of get emotional and share, not necessarily all the time, but in a in a setting where you’ve got a lot of men, typically, it hasn’t worked out where you know, everyone is comfortable sharing and being emotional. And again, like I was saying earlier being vulnerable. And I don’t necessarily know why, you know, like, I don’t have an answer for why that is. But ego is like a huge piece of of that. And yeah, and so like when you look at other events, where women are maybe a little bit more, and not just women, people in general are not as comfortable taking up space, because you’ve got the people in there with the ego taking up so much space that you’re like, I don’t want to be like that. Yeah. So yeah, so I think I don’t know if I’m answering the question necessarily. But, you know, I think that that’s kind of really like that the ego side of things is what shuts down other people being able to take up space. And then sometimes it’s, whether it’s that there’s not they don’t feel there’s enough room for them to take up space, or they they haven’t been encouraged to take up space, you know, sometimes.

Tim 1:07:34
How do you leverage the participants to participate and collaborate? differently? Yeah. So you said you changed the terminology, and made everybody collaborators, even the plate, the people that are there? Oh, yeah. And the presenters, right, but they’re all collaborators. So how do you get the non presenting collaborators to collaborate? Yeah, and express themselves and share themselves?

Dani 1:07:56
Yeah. So we asked all of our, we did something called spark storm. Also, this is something that I we learned and kind of adjusted from from Caitlin, though, I don’t know if you’ve ever have you ever done a spark storm?

Craig 1:08:11
I’ve been to three or four art retreats. And for two of them, I interviewed all the presenters, and they have a podcast with us. Yeah. So I’ve done a lot of I mean, not involved in arbitrary itself, but I’ve been to many of them. Yes.

Dani 1:08:24
Yeah. Sorry. Keep going. Yeah, no, that’s cool. So so we did spark storm. And basically, we would have everyone you know, starting that first day, when we ask everyone like, what’s something they’re passionate about, right? So we started to kind of pull that in. And then we put up, put, we put posters out for everyone. We said, Hey, like, if you if you have something that you’re passionate about that you want to share, we’re going to give you five minutes, and we literally set it for five minutes, we would tell people like, hey, run over here, you’re gonna go and get like a snapshot of whatever this this thing is, right? And it could literally be every I mean, we’ve had someone from twerking to, you know, like Qigong. I don’t even know if I’m saying that right to pelvic floor health to like dance moves. I mean, it was like how to put a headband on properly, like, it was like literally every different thing. But, you know, all these different women were coming in and they were sharing, and people were there to just listen. And like I said, it was it was a really cool thing. Because we set that timer, they had five minutes to share Everyone, listen, everyone got to kind of hang out and get to know that person a little bit better. And what we did then is we said, hey, this was just a taste of what this this person is passionate about. Right? Now you’re at the Collaborate, you know, you’re at the Women’s moving collaborative, like, talk to them about how you can collaborate if that spoke to you, and you want to do something with that, too. And so it kind of opened the door for future collaborations as well, which which has happened, which is super cool.

Craig 1:09:48
Yeah, that’s a positive feedback sign. Like when you’re like, we think this will continue and then when you see it happening later, that’s a good sign. Excellent question, Tim. I’m just curious, though. That’s the secret sauce to everything, the secret sauce to podcasting, but all of life are in 10 minutes. Feeling good? Okay. What about what you guys would like what do you? What do you do in your spare time? Like what do you do when not like, you know, I’m also building a deck you know, or whatever but like what do you do when you’re just like, I feel like just doing the other stuff today like for me it’s often on his go sit in the hammock and read a book, you know, like that. I recharge you know, like in private space kind of thing. So, you know, tell me your like secret recharge recess, people show up, you know, like, oh, there’s only people camped in my cool chair. But just like, what do you guys do when you want to recharge or when you want to? Like, where’s your happy place?

Tim 1:10:44
I don’t I don’t know how to answer that. I I do the same thing every day. But I like the stuff I do. Like, and if that were taken away from me, I probably would need some therapy or to recharge. Like, I have quiet time in the morning I get to sit by myself because I get up before everybody else. I move in the morning. I go for a lot of walks during the day. I do other stuff.

Craig 1:11:09
Like you just listed like three things like going for walks and taking time to breathe and meditate you know, in a peaceful you know, even if it’s like an environment that is going to be chaos in 10 minutes. Yeah.

Tim 1:11:18
And I mean if I’m you know, training or working around that I just do it around that like if you know fight that. Obviously I have to balance my calendar with it. But to just make sure I do that stuff every day and it keeps me happy.

Dani 1:11:30
Yeah, I breathe walk. I recently, I tore a blood my Achilles tendon this year. And so I’m recovering from that and haven’t been able to walk pretty much like on a regular how I like to walk. So I have I have been enjoying like riding my bike. I also have chickens. I got chickens this year. These chickens make me ridiculously happy, like look at my face.

Tim 1:11:55
Seems crazy. It’s called Chicken therapy. It’s really

Dani 1:11:59
it’s a thing. Seriously, I love these chickens. It has been a fun project does this a lot now?

Craig 1:12:05
Oh, no other thing last thought was visual. But yeah, I get the memory forever. Nobody else does.

Dani 1:12:18
Yeah, I love the chickens. I like working outside, I like to garden. And I like just being outside in general. So I’m probably that’s kind of my my go to. And if I need a major, major recharge, reset, like I will get, I will literally just go into the woods. So whether it’s like, okay, I only have time to go camping, or I mean to go hiking to going camping. But I like to get outside and get in the dirt.

Craig 1:12:47
That that’s a common, a lot of people who have I’m gonna say I’m an air quote, discovered movement, like this is something new. But people who realize the importance of movement, they also realize the importance of moving outdoors. And being in spaces where it’s comfortable. And obviously a theme that’s, you know, the the pandemic is, like a huge obvious elephant in the room. And I think when it when it all first started, I’m pretty much the same way like I’m outside walking most days, and I like work around what I want to do. And it was like when the pandemic started, all of a sudden, all my regular walking routes, like, well, there’s people, there’s lots of people and there’s whole families because nobody’s everybody’s home. And in some ways, I think that forced people to like, I was gonna say it forced them to reconsider. But it’s almost like, if you’d like hold it in front of their face, or like, oh, right, that is awesome. I had forgotten how awesome it was to just go for a walk at two in the afternoon on a Tuesday. And I’m I’m hoping that people are able to, to like, hold on to that. I don’t want to do this any good that came from it, but I’m hoping they’re able to remember that like reflection reflective moment. Do you guys do you feel like, like, how do you feel? And I don’t want to like, dive into the politics of COVID. But like, how do you feel in terms of like, are you feeling confident that your business is going to be able to navigate? I personally think that everybody having to take things online, that’s not good. Like, it’s not the same as coaching. I have never met a video screen like this conversation is not the same if we try to do this over any technology in the world. And I’m just wondering, like you feeling confident that like the business is going to be okay, and that you can keep serving your customers and like, are there things you’re looking forward to do or, and I’m not really hooked into, like, I know, the COVID seen where I’m from and I’m far from home, so I don’t really know what’s going on down here.

Dani 1:14:33
Yeah, I feel confident with where we’re at. I mean, so here in North Carolina, our gyms were shut down for seven months, six months, and then you know, took awhile to get people back on board. It was we weren’t really sure people are going to be ready to jump in right away right or, or a little hesitant and so we’ve seen an interesting trickle of people from from both sides, right, kind of kind of trickling Back in. But overall, I think it’s made us stronger. Because we’ve able we we were able to I, whether it was hone in and focus on some of our processes, as well as kind of figure out how we can make things better. We did have to move online for some of our stuff. And we have grown well online. And it’s not the same as in person coaching, I would still choose coaching someone one on one or,

Craig 1:15:26
you know, stand 10 feet apart. Yeah,

Dani 1:15:29
yeah. But there are a lot of people that we’ve been able to reach that maybe never would have come to a gym, and what is your Yeah, and so it’s, you know, allowed us the opportunity to be able to kind of connect to people, and we do, you know, kind of a combination of, you know, a zoomy kind of conversation like tomorrow, Tim’s leading a masterclass with a with one of our groups, we have about 25 people in it. And, you know, we were talking through email, they’re doing their program, and then we’ll, we’ll sit and talk to them through it is a video

Craig 1:16:01
versus you to do an assessment of all the things and what can we do better? Yeah,

Tim 1:16:05
yeah. But for that situation, no, like, those people are anywhere in the world that like we couldn’t do we couldn’t do that in person. Yeah. So that I mean, there have been some good things. Yeah. that come from it for sure.

Dani 1:16:17
I mean, he’s training someone Dubai, Norway, Germany, Austria, Czech Republic, India, I don’t know. But plus all over the United States like, and this is this group of people all coming together, which is kind of cool.

Craig 1:16:29
You would have never had all the opportunities were there. But it was like, why would you have ever done that? And why would they have noticed? Yeah.

Tim 1:16:37
I don’t know. Like, and when I say I don’t know, it’s, you’re not going to like any of this. But like, so the pandemic, while it sucked. And I had a hard time dealing with it at the beginning. But it taught me a lot of things like and it gave me afforded me a lot of opportunities that I would have never had in any other lifetime, like, so my, my kids are 17 and 18. Well, I got to spend a lot of time with them over the last few years, and my oldest just went to college. So I had something that I would have never gotten rich, like, Yeah, what a gift. And my youngest, who’s now seniors going to go to college next year, and not even a year from now. But you know, it’s gonna be like that. So I’m in this whole new space in life. And I’ve learned that like, I didn’t write this script, I couldn’t control any of it. I couldn’t control what happened to our jam I could. So fighting it was really just painfully painful. For me, there was nothing I could do about it. So. So if it flourishes, awesome. And if it doesn’t, well, okay, it’s gonna be okay. Because what’s, what’s the next blessing out of it that I just can’t see right now, because it did give me so many things that I would have never experienced. And mistakes I’ve made that I would have never made had a COVID not happen that I have learned from you know, so I mean, there’s all kinds of things that were on the surface, maybe don’t look that great have been really educational, invaluable. For me.

Craig 1:18:03
I think a lot of people have made a lot of lemonade, you know, the lemons and lemonade. And, to me that mean, that’s why I’m hopeful for the whole human race. I don’t mean like we better pull out of this, that I just mean, in general, the reason I’m hopeful is that we’ve come a long way. And I think we’re going a long way further, just because I think people are generally awesome. And we all disagree on everything. But in the end, people figure things out and people are curious, and humans move in as arms. That’s my, that’s my story, and I’m sticking to it. Alright, well, as much as I hate to say it at a minute at an hour and 20 minutes, I’ll just say and you guys had to figure out how this works. Right? Because the two of you to say and of course the final question three words to describe your practice.

Dani 1:18:43
Simple, compassionate way of life does that count holistic, way holistic, holistic, better?

Tim 1:18:49
You still want our practice like what we do what we teach.

Craig 1:18:52
You can interpret anyway way you want. I’m not laughing accurate? It’s a hard questions will not

Tim 1:18:59
mean it just depends on which you might want to say move me hills you. That’s three words.

Craig 1:19:04
That’s three words, you maybe you want to unpack what what you think when I say what do you what’s your practice? Because one’s practice could be my entire life, one’s practice could be I’m a foster parents, so raising children, you know, in a limited time I have it like what you need to know. Like, you need to figure out what you think practice means in order to answer the question. I don’t mean need to be

Tim 1:19:27
hard, quiet. No, it’s not. I just wanted to make sure I was answering the right question. Like, I mean, movement heals you or yes, you can. I mean,

Craig 1:19:37
just those are those are great ones like and yeah, I think yes, you can is kind of like the Tim’s three words, but you got to I’m not gonna put words in your mouth.

Tim 1:19:46
I mean, I will go with yes, you can.

Craig 1:19:48
I think that’s a great. I think those are both great. And I’m also going to say they also kind of fit together like that. You know what you’re right. I mean, I’ve just like was thinking wait a minute. We had a long discussion about you know how you to work together and fit together and your your choices or your forced choices. They’re kind of fit together too.

Tim 1:20:09
So I’m gonna be peanut butter though she’ll have to be chocolate

Dani 1:20:11
I wanted to chocolate anyways, I definitely want to chocolate.

Craig 1:20:17
Thanks so much, you guys for taking the time as I say to what? It’s my distinct pleasure and thanks.

Tim 1:20:22
Thank you. This has been really fun.