Transcript for “Dedication – with Joseph Rizzo”

Episode, Dedication – with Joseph Rizzo

00:00.00
Craig
Hello I’m Craig Constantine welcome to the movers mindset podcast where I talk with moving enthusiasts to find out who they are what they do and why they do it. My guest today is Joseph Rizzo welcome Joe how are you.

00:13.14
Joseph
Ah I’m good how you doing.

00:33.32
Craig
I’m good I’m excited in multiple dimensions to get to talk to so many new people so many people in one day today is the last-minute crush of people that wanted to join me before we go to by now everybody knows I’m going to mention the move and Nyc event in Manhattan is this weekend. Um. Why not come out and learn to live heavy shit with Joseph simply farmer carry all those excuses you just came up with farmer carry those over to the http://themovementcreative.com and click on Move NYC so there’s that Joe I yeah, some.

01:19.56
Joseph
Beautiful consistent.

01:43.26
Craig
And I’m also going Oh I Hope my session runs the same time as yours because otherwise that’s probably what I should go do is go lift heavy shit. Um, in fact I should so I Actually what I should be working on is what is it a J J Curl Jefferson Lifts you know that hope.

01:38.50
Joseph
Yeah, yeah, it’s fun man get the throw stuff over your head.

02:03.80
Joseph
Jefferson Curls bro.

02:19.76
Craig
Curls that’s the thing that I should be doing I should be doing Jefferson Curls and working on getting to I can’t bend over because I have a microphone um, do they call it negative starts. You know where the bar is actually at closer and closer to your feet as you stand on the platforms. So the bars go down. That’s the.

02:17.26
Joseph
Um.

02:30.70
Joseph
Yep yep, yep as well as pulling in a ah like a compromise position because of Jefferson curl your art. Your back is arched the entire time. So it’s a lot more compromise to pull So it’s a lot harder so you can generate a lot more stability that way and crossing over to other lifts.

02:58.80
Craig
Marched.

03:14.80
Craig
All right? We’ve now exhausted everything I know about Olympic weightlifting. Um I asked you before we started recording I was asking about how you got into Olympic lifting and if there were particular people that sparked it for you and.

03:07.40
Joseph
Ah.

03:48.50
Craig
I’m always really curious about how people connect the dots and you quickly started talking about. Um and I think I kind of knew this. But even when you started talking about I was like well I didn’t really realize how technical Olympic lifting is and it can just look like yeah I’m just chucking stupid over my head. Um.

04:07.30
Joseph
This is.

04:26.82
Craig
But there’s so much technical in there and there seems to be something about that technical part because you were describing how that drew you in and then how that carried over into your parkor practice I Guess maybe if you could. Kind of sketch a little bit about like what is it about it that makes it so technical like why are there So many interesting milks and crannies to crawl into with just like pick up this heavy thing.

04:59.56
Joseph
Um, so comparatively to all the fundamental lifts that we know or like the general population knows of like you have the squat you have the bench you have the deadlift. They’re all very static movements right? So like deadlift.

05:46.58
Craig
Um.

05:37.64
Joseph
Basically you brace you sit you keep your chest up and then boom you just stand up bringing the bar to your hips right? Bench up down. Nice and simple and then squat bearing the back the bar on your back knees out just going up and down like there’s not a whole. Lot of thought that kind of goes into those static lifts on the contrary with olympic weightlifting you have 2 movements you have the snatch which is None movement from the floor to overhead and then you have the cleaning jerk which is 2 movements None movement from the floor. The rack position at your shoulders and then the none movement is a jerk pushing it overhead. Um, so the reason why it is so technical is because when you’re pushing weight like that in such a dynamic state. There’s a lot more that goes into it but um, rather than just kind of pushing and and trying to lift like like submaxially all at once. So what? a lot of people don’t realize is um, the snatching the clean and jerk is 3 pos in. Basically 1 or 2 movement so kind of thing that we were talking right before the podcast was like that that forced development or like pulling from a very controlled stance off the floor as the bar passes your knee you have to speed up and explode very very rapidly. Bring your entire body into the movement in order to lift that bar as high as you possibly can. There is a pull that happens once your body makes contact with the bar and then you have to extremely extremely rapidly dock your entire body underneath the bar. Right? And it doesn’t matter how much weight that is that is a bar with weight floating above the ground that you have to catch and put your entire body behind. So if you do not execute that lift correctly, you will get completely fucked up.

10:10.30
Craig
Crushed.

09:58.44
Joseph
Completely fucked up and a lot of people think like oh I’m just going to push as hard as I can and you know get this bar overhead and basically muscle it and there’s a lot of danger in that right? because there’s not a lot of thought behind it. If you try to muscle something. You’ll only get to a certain point without technique and kind of the same thing goes for parcor as Well. A lot of people do muscle things when when doing jumps and tossing their entire body behind but at least in my experience if you’re a little more technical and you think about it a little more. You get further at least from my like I said my own experience So exactly? Yeah, So there’s just a lot more that goes into it except just kind of lifting heavy. There’s a lot more poles involved. There’s Tempo. There’s timing.

11:24.20
Craig
I I would definitely agree month on my personal experience but from what I’ve seen. Yeah, that’s it’s when you take it apart and then put it back together. It’s always better.

11:48.24
Joseph
There’s explosivity. There’s mobility more than anything so and a lot of people would be surprised too like some park war athletes that think that they have great mobility. Can’t even do a straight front rack like a front squat.

12:05.78
Craig
M.

12:22.44
Joseph
To to get their hands over to or to like catch a clean so it always surprises me like when I work with people too from like the park work community that they think their mobility is really really good. But once we go into like that those phases of learning the lifts like they really have to work at it, especially like depth in squat which is.

12:38.34
Craig
Um.

13:01.14
Joseph
Crazy thing as well.

13:15.40
Craig
Um, yeah I like squats Yup, there’s like a greased rail kind of thing like yeah I always like a common one is does everybody do balance takeoffs on Kong you know or cat pass. Whatever language you like? um.

13:08.28
Joseph
He.

13:27.60
Joseph
Okay, okay.

13:49.00
Craig
You know it’s like yeah, just switch to the other leg and all of a sudden you’re just like wait a minute I can’t even figure out where where to my hand that gets it becomes a disaster. Um, and I think there’s ah I’m wondering about the um balance not um, Equilibrium balance but like balance of you know, left versus right front versus back.

13:44.66
Joseph
Yep, thanks.

14:08.56
Joseph
I.

14:25.60
Craig
And it seems to me like there’d be a lot of um if you have an imbalance that shit’s going to be obvious really quick like I discovered that I had ah a weakness in my left leg which was aggravated by ah, an impingement in my hip and I’m like.

14:37.18
Joseph
Okay.

14:55.20
Craig
Wow, when did my left leg. Get so weak I suddenly realized when I when I’m bending over I’m always like favoring one side and it just seems to me like olympic lifting is a great way to make that clear because you you really can’t how would you cheat like if None side’s weak everything dumps or it’s going to fail that seems like that would also be a great. Magnifying glass. Maybe for parkor athletes to just even if you’re not trying to do Prs but personal best personal records. Do you find? That’s the case where people show up and they think that maybe not so much that they’re weak or they’re immobile but they don’t realize how imbalanced they are.

15:21.36
Joseph
If it.

15:46.88
Joseph
Yes, a hundred percent um a lot of people that have come to me and a lot of people that I’ve worked with for olympic weight liftfting especially park core athletes. Um, don’t have the right stability like at None to catch weight because they’re so used to body weight.

16:34.76
Craig
Um.

16:25.40
Joseph
Um, and then like you were saying like parkword definitely favors some sides of your body more than others I know I had that experience because I’m like predominantly like a left leg jumper that’s how I take off off my left Leg. So my right leg was a lot weaker. So I noticed that when. Would like duck under like ass to grass to catch a clean I would lean to the right side a little bit and that’s because my hip and my knee and my ankle weren’t strong enough for at least like mobility wise. Overall.

17:30.46
Craig
Mm.

17:30.16
Joseph
To get in that position and to catch that weight. So It’s something that I had to really work on in like beginning stages of like weightlifting and kind of going forward, but the the main thing would be like that stability right? catching that weight and bracing as hard as you can. Um. It’s interesting to me that a lot of people don’t have that sort of like bracing in their abdominals in their stomach to kind of really put their whole body weight behind that catch and.

18:34.10
Craig
Um, how how does it work like um if you’re trying to learn one of these movements. How do you learn like a piece that’s in the middle you just like. I Spend years working with just the bar itself or like how do you because if the whole thing is so dynamic and the sequencing has to be so right? It’s like trying to say well the the way you learn a Kong is just get used to crashing on your face. You really can’t There’s either. You did it or you don’t and how do you take that those movements apart and work on the individual pieces of it or maybe you don’t.

19:13.86
Joseph
Here. Um, so at least from my experience. Um I learned the power clean like before anything. Um, so what I did was for maybe like damn oh my god it’s been it’s been like None it’s like None eight years of of weightlifting but um in the beginning I did a lot of barbell work and I probably never jumped up above like none for like a year and a half straight because all I did was just work tech work tempo work that explosivity work that mobility as much as I can um and I’m all I’m all self-taught too like I learned online I did a bunch of research I have a bunch of notes like in in my um. Like computer and and desktop and stuff like that to kind of go and it took me a very long time to do that? Um, would you none be better with like a coach and going that way. Yes, because you know their job is to kind of. Understand and execute those lifts and then transfer that knowledge over to you very simply so you’re not confused and that’s also a big thing with like olympic lifts too. it’s like it’s confusing there’s a lot that happens from the floor to your neck to overhead or just a floor to overhead in general. Um, so. Working that technique as much as much as you can to understand what to do when to do and be explosive at the right moments is so so key and when I program people for like these movements especially geared towards parkour. Um, that’s all I do for like the none 4 to six week blocks is just tech tech tech then I I prefaces too I’m like you’re not getting hurt. We’re not just going to rip it off the ground so you can’t train outside at all you know and then like. You know we go back and forth on it because a lot of people do have egos too when it comes to lifting. There’s the thing called ego lifting where they think they have the technique and they’re just like yeah fuck it like I’ll just go heavy. So and I I can’t yeah literally so by the technique over everything for at least.

24:04.52
Craig
Um, put all the weight on there right.

24:11.96
Joseph
at least five weeks at least five weeks before you even try to put on heavy heavy weight. So.

24:35.98
Craig
I think at least for me the obvious benefits of of putting on the muscle mass and and developing fast twitch I mean that has like I see clearly how that would help me in part core. But um and I’m thinking about I saw you do ah on a wicked descent. Um I think it might have been in Texas and you were you had but up looked damn perfect to me the crane technique where as you do the disscent. It’s not dropping both feet on the top of the thing. It’s you’re actually sliding past the next catch point into a nice crane catch and I’m like okay that takes a on strength. Um, but there’s.

25:11.34
Joseph
M.

25:54.78
Craig
There’s only so much strength you need to catch your own body weight over a certain distance. But I’m I’m thinking I’m sensing that there’s there’s more that carries over from the Olympic lifting than just you know like if I can catch double my body weight this strikes me as a useful feature in my park core. But there seems like there’s more to it than just that total that total power.

25:44.54
Joseph
Um.

26:07.42
Joseph
So.

26:33.16
Craig
The connective tissue strength the joint you know joints being used to that load. So how what kind of things do people discover after they’ve worked that tech What? what? What do they see with New eyes when they go out to their park or in terms of the tech there.

26:44.80
Joseph
Um, um, so a lot of the way that I like to kind of describe something like this to people is when when you do like a running jump. You’re exerting a lot of force through your body. To explode into that movement ultimately flying through the air right? and then landing and then compressing and holding all of that attention. So when you’re doing stuff like that and you are throwing your body at a wall and trying to land perfectly. There’s a lot of shock that happens that that runs through your body. So for the research that I’ve done when you are hitting something with momentum and like speed and explosivity towards a wall and then trying to catch that weight. You’re basically. Catching probably like anywhere between 5 to None times your body weight when you land so a lot of things that I like to talk about for olympic weightlifting is if we can get used to that like adaptability of catching.

28:54.86
Craig
M.

29:13.76
Joseph
5 to 8 times your body weight right in in the bottom of a clean in the bottom of the snatch because that’s impact. Yeah I mean like you duck under to catch that weight. There’s ah so there’s so much shock that goes through your body and you have to stabilize that in order to stand up right.

29:40.22
Craig
Right? yeah.

29:52.00
Joseph
So the most thing that I’ve seen like benefitwise from like Olympic weight lifting is that adaptability to that to that force that shock and you’re able to handle it a lot better on your body.

30:19.68
Craig
Um.

30:20.84
Joseph
And this goes into a talk of longevity right? because Park War people love to fucking talk about longevity all the time even though we’re doing stupid big jumps on our joints. You know killing our bodies hucking ourselves at walls. But it is true if you get used to that forced production if you get used to that shock absorption.

30:42.74
Craig
He.

30:59.94
Joseph
In an olympic lift in like a clean or a snatch or or transferring it to jumps outside. You will have way more um, like you will have more of a chance of training longer because your body is adapting to it more frequently. And then applying that to your park court training I’ve noticed that my landings um have been so so much better on my body I used to have like a lot of knee issues when I trained and it wasn’t like tendonitis it was it was it was just like um like like the movement of the impact every time I would land. Um, it would just kill me and I would only be able to like do a jump maybe like None or 4 times and I like to rep things. That’s how I kind of got my started parkport and that’s why I’m so technical when I train because I love to rep shit over over and over again. But as I got older as I started to gain a little more weight like that shocked is what killed me so I would. Look at a jump that I would do maybe two or three years ago 10 times and only be able to do it None times because I wasn’t able to just handle that impact and then I learned or found out or experienced through olympic weightlifting that I was able to take so much more. And not even worry about it because my joints am I am my um like fast Twitch muscles were so in tune to catching weight and stabilizing that weight that now like I’m back to where I was when I was probably like none able to just like. Train and train and train and having all the power in the world and having all the endurance in the world because you know going at stuff and handling that impact is is basically nothing for me now.

34:44.65
Craig
I’m pausing because there’s a lot of new connections here that I hadn’t really thought about about catching the weight because that’s obviously like you’re saying that’s literally what you’re doing on taking impact. Um, and parkor you know we probably the thing we all love to hate.

34:34.98
Joseph
Yeah, yep.

35:14.52
Craig
There’s so many different you know I’m thinking like tict tacs and one any cats and there’s all these completely weird directional asymmetrical things that we do that have no parallel in Olympic lifting. But it seems like what the lesson that you get from Olympic lifting would then Blossom open like if it works. You know in this sense Now you can understand how to handle that impact you know in a one- day cat or on on descents or whatever. Ah yeah, what is there anything else that um how how do you ignite a passion for Olympic weightlifting in somebody who’s.

35:43.94
Joseph
Um, hundred percent

36:27.34
Craig
Nobody listening is sitting on their so maybe they are sitting on their sofa to listen. They’re not sofa sitters generally um, but if they’re thinking. No I Just want to go outside and and run lines is there is there a way that you know we can hook people on it or a video or a playstation start or something that they’re just going to go like what the hell is that I got to try that.

36:47.30
Joseph
Um, that’s ah, a really Actually, It’s a really really interesting question that you asked because I’m not sure why or maybe it’s like the stigma behind it for like lifting in general but like a lot of parkwar people don’t like to lift. Yeah I mean like a lot of I’ve had a lot of talks with people especially with like Olympic weightlifting that it takes too much time to Learn. It’s too Hard. You know I mean it’s so technical that I’m not even to give it a shot or rather just like just go out and train I’ll have more.

37:56.40
Craig
Um, yeah.

38:09.46
Craig
Um, that’s crazy because Park Horror is technically massively technical but sorry keep going.

38:01.24
Joseph
Um, yeah, yeah, no, that’s like that’s the whole thing and like I don’t understand it. You know what? I mean people were just like yeah I’d rather just go train because I’ll see more um, like production that way I’ll see more benefit that way if I’m actually just going out and training right. Um, but the thing for me was like when I was learning and then kind of doing it and like executing it and then crossing it over into parkor training like I don’t have to train five days a week anymore to keep at my level for parkor. Like I can lift None to 3 times a week train 3 times a week right? and still have that that. Like like that massive like power right? like like everything is on it because I feel good I feel strong like I feel technical because I’m working such technical movements every single day in in the gym as I train you know I mean so and as my body got stronger I was just able to do a lot more. Um, and like honestly for me this shit’s fun like would you not want to be able to throw like £200 over your head like no other lift is doing that you know like it’s it’s crazy to me that people are like yeah like. Like I don’t know it’s like too technical I don’t want to like apply it but like once you do like I’m telling you like get some direction watch some videos It’s very it’s it’s it’s not as crazy as people think just to start out right? If you’re taking it in like that that long-term goal of like oh I really want to get to like high level weight with this That’s when it becomes extremely technical but also the purpose of like my workshop this weekend is to open that up to people you know like understand that it doesn’t have to be as crazy as people sound or or crazy as people talk about with Olympic lifting.

42:06.90
Craig
As they’re imagining right? yeah.

42:02.24
Joseph
We could just focus on a couple of cues a couple of things to get you moving in a good direction toss some weight over your head have a fucking good time Blast to music know I mean just have a great time with it and and then apply it to your parkord training. Let’s talk about Force. Let’s talk about um explosivity. Yeah I Mean. What you can do in the weight room to get your park Corps to where you want to go you know, especially like younger people coming into it too because you know they’re not.. They’re not crazy Strong. It takes a little bit of of time to like develop your body to get strong so lifting just helps and it’s just fucking. Fun. Fun.

43:29.54
Craig
I’m watching our time run out. Um where I’m thinking on Instagram probably the best place but where can people trace you chase you down get in touch with you find out more about you.

43:31.32
Joseph
Sure, um, my Instagram is Mr. Underscore Rizzo with 3 z’s that’s my own personal as well as my team the unknown project at unknown park war on Instagram or the unknown project on Youtube. So.

44:17.64
Craig
Sweet um I’ll just say and of course the final question 3 words to describe your practice.

44:17.22
Joseph
3 words to describe my practice um patience strength and dedication.

44:54.78
Craig
Those are 3 great words. Dedication is a beautiful one. Well Joe I got.

44:54.36
Joseph
And oh I’m saying it’s been it’s been ah it’s been a long time to kind of get where I’ve at where I’m at now comparatively to where I was like when I started parkor. So like I said None words like strength patience and dedication because that is what’s. Pushed me the furthest in my training, especially the patients and the patient sucks sometimes but you have to be patient.

45:59.54
Craig
Well said all right Joseph it was a pleasure. Thanks for taking the time he talked to me and I look forward to maybe chucking some stuff over my head this weekend. We’ll see.

46:06.58
Joseph
Hell yeah man I had fun. It was great to talk about it.