Transcript for “Incomplete – with Janne Laurila”

Episode, Incomplete – with Janne Laurila

00:00.00
Craig
Hello I’m Craig Constantine welcome to the movers mindset podcast where I talk with movement enthusiasts to learn who they are what they do and why they do it. My guest today is yane loriilla I hope I pronounce that reasonably close welcome jacks how are you this afternoon.

00:15.80
Jax
Yeah, thank you, you pronounced it pretty well I’m doing fine just a regular summer day in Finland.

00:47.12
Craig
Um, yeah I ever just passed I I like missed the solstice I wasn’t paying attention and then I saw blog posts or somebody was like oh is this all like all right I completely spaced out on that been too busy busy in a good Way. We were talking before I Press record. Ah, we were talking a little bit about change. Um and that of course leads to adaptation and I’m I’m always interested in people’s um, places where they where like a major change has happened. It doesn’t be like the biggest change in your life. But I’m always interested in how people’s thinking changes. Around particular points in time and you were telling me a little bit about how you feel like we always need to be changing and I had sort of asked you well which which is the driver is movement driving change that you see in yourself or is. Change then driving movement or or maybe it’s a little of both I’m making like a wavy mobius strip hand gesture that nobody can see um and I’m just wondering what your thoughts are on how long have you been aware of how important movement is in the process of change. And and like was there a time where you can remember that the 2 were very different in your mind movement and change.

03:07.56
Jax
Yeah, well um I think that when I started doing park or I think then the movement was ah, kind of like it was constant. Exploration aim all drive by Curiosity and we were always trying to do. New stuff, learn new things and then I think the chains was ah mostly coming from the fact that we wanted to improve but as more time has ah gone I’ve started to feel that um the chains isn’t just like. Trying to improve but more to adapt on how you can perform or ah how how how do you kind of like see a challenge or how do you process a challenge. How do you go over an obstacle like well for.. For example, the obstacle could be injury or like a different kind of event in your life that makes you ah kind of like lose something or add something to your life that changes your ability to train or the overall like. Setting to train but like for example, like how how you yeah like for like ah how much you can use time.. For example that that’s pretty common factor that affects our training and ah sometimes you have a lot of time.

06:00.38
Craig
I’m so I’m scribbling keep going I’m scribbling franically.

06:18.80
Craig
Um.

06:16.22
Jax
Ah, no energy and sometimes you have no energy but a lot of time. So those those can be factors that like force you to change to yeah.

06:45.98
Craig
Um, that’s that’s a great point. Ah I I’m interested or interested isn’t the right word I’m I like how you point out change for improvement. And the the other idea of change for um adaptability or for flexibility not in the look I can touch my toes sense but flexibility for like there’s a bunch of things I can do here. Um, and I I don’t think I realized in my personal movement journey. I had the same I did have the same transition but I don’t think I realized that at the time like I don’t ever recall I definitely can remember the days when I was trying to physically improve to try and keep up with the cool people that I was hanging out with and now I definitely realize that my movement. If you want to even call it a practice. My movement is all about exploration and range and variability and um, there’s a guy named Daniel Vitalis is a good podcast and he talked about it talks about movement as nutrition and I think in the beginning when I was moving. And trying to improve I don’t think I was thinking about it that way and somewhere along the way I started to think about movement as maybe not nutrition per se but I started to think about it like what do I need to be doing today and I think that dovetailed beautifully with your point about energy. Versus um time and I’m I’m wondering what you do? um, ah this is all also context people listening if you don’t know where Jack says noral Jack says in Finland so we had a little discussion beforehand about like latitude you know like like north south latitude on the planet and we were talking about. Um, winter and winter can be difficult when you know it’s literally it’s darker and there’s less light and it’s colder and I’m wondering what things you do to? Um I would say for like self-healing like what do you do when you’re starting to feel. Um. Maybe you starting to feel hemmed in like I don’t have enough physical space or you’re feeling hemmed in because it’s dark and dreary other things that you go to that energize you or that maybe allow you to stretch physically or mentally stretch.

11:08.48
Jax
Well I would like to say that I have some secret potion or something that fix the fixes the problem but to be honest, ah I’m currently in a place in my life that I have 2 2 small children and I’m just yeah, thank you.

11:59.80
Craig
Congratulations.

11:47.92
Jax
I’m I’m studying and well I’m I Also I’m I’m a kind of ah entrepreneur like person. So I’m also involved in a lot of ah, different different projects and I’m still having so kind of like my own ideas that I would like to make.

12:35.16
Craig
Um.

12:27.60
Jax
So I think that my my problem is that I just do things until I’m like like I I run up to choose and then I sleep and then I do that the same thing tomorrow.

13:10.42
Craig
Um.

13:03.52
Jax
And sometimes my days are good and I’m all about smile and ah and the other days they’re not that good and it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the darkness or anything but ah for me the the long dark period isn’t. As bad as the kind of like Hangover you get when the darkness starts to shift away and currently there’s like only light it doesn’t the sun doesn’t set set oh there Sometimes it go down here at all. So when that that shift starts.

14:11.50
Craig
Um.

14:21.16
Jax
I feel more depressed because of the huge amount of light that’s coming now because I’m not used to it. So I think I would say that it’s a kind of like a darkness hangover.

14:48.82
Craig
Um.

15:05.90
Craig
That’s an interesting I had never thought of it that way. Um I’ve I’ve been nodding along the whole time you were talking people can’t see that um I I don’t want to say that I I mean it is true that I struggle but I don’t want to make it sound like you know we’re you and I are in this. Is you know a wholly honorable thing. It would be nice if we didn’t have to do this but I I find that I was going to say when I get out of my own way like when I just realized that yeah basically all of my problems are things that I have self-assigned.

15:53.94
Jax
Make the form.

16:13.10
Craig
Like and yesterday it happens I’m getting ready to travel about 5 hours to an event and I’m leaving tomorrow in the afternoon. So like 24 hours I’m ready to go. It’s not a big deal. Um, and yesterday I got to point where I had literally nothing that needed to be done. Like there I mean I had mowed the lawn I my stuff is blake laid out to be packed I’m like completely ready to go and I was fidgety. It was like I’m I’m almost addicted to having like do this do that move forward, good the thing and. And so this I feel like I really need to practice not moving I mean I I do meditate and I’m I’m okay in a room by myself in this quiet but sometimes I really feel like I don’t take enough time to but just sit around and and Kurt Vonneitt’s words you know, sit around and think if this isn’t nice I don’t know what is um. So I guess the question the the question in they’re begging to be asked is how do you balance your time. Um, do you feel like it’s better if you create spaces you know like um, what was the talk’s name again alfred afraid Alfred.

18:19.64
Jax
Yeah, effort. Yeah.

18:42.80
Craig
So do you find that like taking the dog for a walk is like your you you always come like is that something you always come back from recharged um or does even that turn into like a treadmill of like got to walk the dog got to do this got to pick up the kids got to go to my internship like where are the moments that you find that recharge you.

18:51.66
Jax
Well, Ah, um, my kids got a way into Pokemon go like quite recently so pretty much every walk I take now is getting those pokiops in gyms. So.

19:24.50
Craig
Um, me.

19:43.10
Craig
Um.

19:30.94
Jax
So I get a lot of items so I would say that all those like nice silent moments I’ve lost them for my phone. But.

19:59.52
Craig
Um, yeah, but time’s going to fly by right? like I don’t have children but I’ve seen many many people whove raised children and it’s like yeah the it’s I want say it’s no must say it’s difficult. But when they’re in it. They always talk about Wow I Remember when and it like it just flies by for Them. So I Always think people’s resilience always surprises me like their ability to to just like kind of relax into the chaos and so I think it’s.

20:47.40
Jax
Decision.

21:08.60
Craig
It’s interesting that interesting in a kuba. It’s good that you’re able to relax into Oh we’re we’re doing pokemon. Okay I’m I’m in you know this kind of reminds me like some crazy Qm challenge. Oh we’re we’re doing that. Okay I’m in.

21:03.24
Jax
Yeah. Yeah, okay, we’re going to walk few kilometers just to catch a ah like yeah yeah.

21:38.56
Craig
This yet a pokemon at a gym but on the other hand it’s walking and you’re you know like you’re out moving with people that you love. So yeah.

21:39.46
Jax
Yeah, it’s it’s definitely a good mix of ah using technology and still going out and aga could turn to an exercise we could kind of like ah we can sometimes end up in doing a sort of a exploration. We go to. Woods or something to like kind of like see if there is some some different pokemons there. So yeah, they sure. But yeah to be honest, ah my schedules they’re they’re like how would I describe it they they’re chaos. Yeah. And I mentioned earlier that I was diagnosed with Adhd and kind of like just I after that I realized that my problems with schedules are that I’m good to make schedules. But I’m very bad at keeping at them. So. Um.

23:44.80
Craig
There’s a lot of wisdom in being aware of that though like until you realize that things are really rough and then when you realize you’re like okay I need to yeah maybe schedule less. Um, it’s tough when you see opportunities like um I understand you have a new job or a new internship. Um, and when you see those opportunities you’re like oh this is this is something I should I should take hold of so you don’t want to miss out on that stuff either.

24:15.46
Jax
Yeah, you know it’s It’s I think it’s kind of like the hardest part is that because I like doing stuff and when I like doing stuff I usually do my best and most of the time I’m happy with the results. But ah as as in every everyone’s life. There is kind of like these these points where you kind of like might end up finding yourself in a position that you’re just you just have too much only a plate and I think that for me that happens quite. Quite ah frequently because of ah the Adhd because ah oh there’s disc distractions that postpone some something from ah like getting done in time but there’s also that they that the enthusiasm enthusiasm that I’m just kind of like. Taking everything on my plate as well.

26:23.22
Craig
Yeah there’s ah in in some ways sometimes I make the joke. So but so back in the day they used to just call it a d attention deficit disorder um, and I used to make the joke. Oh yeah I converted my eighty d into art to de plasmo. Which which is like my way of thumb in my nose that everybody like no, it’s screw you I’m gonna go run you know I’m go run I’m go do qm um, and it took me a long time to realize and and now I’m thinking back to oh you like your point about ah moving. And change to improve versus change to for more flexibility that was something I really um, it became a fault of mine that I was always like I tend to be the biggest slowest oldest person whenever there’s anything going on I’m okay with that. But I sort of. Became the person who was always the none one off the wine. You know like oh we can do the thing. Oh let’s go you know like we we had a little parker gathering with with some yamak that was at my local city and at the very end of the day I just thought it would be cool to reverse qm up the stairs in front of this big museum. That’s well-known and and without really paying attention to like. Yeah, it doesn’t need to be about me I started doing it and I just was insane and wanted to try and kill myself on these stairs but everybody else saw it as like oh well now we got to do it too and the people who were running a little jam they were like we were done like it was time to quit but Craig started up the stairs. So all of a sudden. We all started the stairs. Which would be fine if I was the person who could also finish the physical challenge. But I I used to always be the guy who would like charge out in front and then you know like be slow. So so I I try to balance like when do I feel like.

29:12.24
Jax
A.

29:56.78
Craig
The need to move is really deep like yeah I need you know like in the morning wake but you got to stretch like you you can’t not stretch I try to sort out when my need to move is really deep seated and when it’s actually my. Ah, petulant if you know the word like my petulant mind being the little kid. No I want to be in front I want to be out there and that took me a long time to get that sorted out and now I know when to just be like yeah that is cool but I’m going to go sit down over here. You know and relax and I think there’s a lot of wisdom. You know that in what you were saying about. Knowing what your strengths are and knowing like this is a thing that I do to myself all the time so where are we oh 15 minutes time flies. What made you agree to talk to me this crazy Craig person on a Wednesday afternoon mad props by the way you worked really hard to get scheduled you and I um because you’re super busy but I’m like no we can make it work. We can make it work actually I didn’t wake up early I’ve been up for 2 hours like this is this is maybe early for most americans but.

31:34.94
Jax
Yeah, thanks for waking up early. Ah.

32:13.50
Craig
I’m I’m usually up by five thirty a m so it’s only we started at seven thirty a m my time so this is this is not early I’m I’m still drinking my coffee but it’s not early, but anyway what made you say? yes like what made you decide. This would be a fun thing to punch a hole in your schedule for.

32:23.28
Jax
Well None of all I thought it was a it was an honor to have the invitation. So I I kind of like feel felt that I shouldn’t make time for this and oh. Um, um, um, also always ah, interested in in good conversations and because I’ve been listening to listening to your show previously I know that the conversation they can take a very nice route. So.

33:37.76
Craig
Oh good I Thought you were going to say a dark turn. Yeah no I’m making light but but but I appreciate you saying that? So yeah, keep going.

33:30.64
Jax
Um, no. Yeah, well I was obviously I was thrilled to have the invitation. So Obviously when I said yes and we started to look on the schedule I tried to do my best to make happen.

34:22.40
Craig
Um, well thank you? Yeah there’s so many Um, yeah, so conversation is my personal. That’s like my personal mission is to create better conversation in the world to spread understanding and compassion and this project is part of that. But. As many hundreds of conversations that I’ve done it never ceases to amaze me how I don’t want to say how cool people are because that should be patently obvious but when you offer people a space where they can not have to like perform. You know? So. There’s a bunch of things you and I can talk about that people might might have expected us to talk about and I love to do that I love to like get somebody on a conversation and say what do you want to talk about today. Um, and that’s really for me. That’s the interesting part because I don’t want these conversations to be all about me because we do not need more craig on the internet. Um.

35:52.46
Jax
And gene.

36:13.66
Craig
But anyway I’m rambling. Um, yeah at 18 minutes and maybe I will just say um rather than force it. So I’ll just say a little little bit earlier than normally would but I’ll just say all right and of course the final question is 3 words to describe your practice.

36:28.92
Jax
Oh um, I wrote down curious compassionate and incomplete. There’s ah ah obviously like you probably talked with anyone that there’s a lot of our interpretation on these words. But kind of like well curious ah Curiosity. That’s kind of like well you need that to explore any moment and compassionate that that that’s that’s what I like to kind of like explain a bit Because. Ah, you need to be compassionate to understand others but you but have to be compassionate to yourself as well. Like ah my my like schedules and stuff like that. Ah I’ve I’ve been very hard on myself because I. I wasn’t making some deadlines or whatever I was very hard on myself and then I just realized that that everybody makes mistakes and it’s It’s part of life and you just the the best you can do is that the mistakes you do. You kind of like try to control the mistakes that the mistakes happens on stuff that doesn’t matter as much so that the most important stuff gets done and you don’t do the mistakes there and incomplete we’re all always incomplete and. I Think we should think that we’re incomplete so we can use their curiosity and come compassion to improve.

40:14.20
Craig
Um, nice, no, that’s perfect. That’s exactly what that question is meant to be for. Um, yeah I’m I’m just I I don’t think I’ve ever heard anybody use the word incomplete and I love the way you’re.

40:00.32
Jax
Yeah, that was a lot more than 3 words space.

40:52.50
Craig
Pointing at that word to create something which drives you like you know, like sucks you forward into that. Yeah anyway I’m not going to overinterpret your own words. Terrific.

40:56.20
Jax
Yeah, but but but the the compassionate and in hum complete they’re like kind of like the 2 pieces of puzzle you’re incomplete you have to be compassionate about your in complete self and so on. So.

41:25.52
Craig
Nice.

41:44.68
Craig
Terrific. All right I’m so glad we got a chance to talk at some point. Um, we’ll have to I’m sure we’re running to each other somewhere. It’s a small globe all right jacks it was a distinct pleasure. Thank you for taking the time and having to travel me today.

41:54.36
Jax
Thank you for having me this was a very fun 20 minutes